how ancients (CHG , Iran N , Anatolia N etc) likely looked like

[Nassbean]

Facial reconstruction of an egyptian high official called "Nebiri" (QV30) known as the Chief of Stables who lived during the reign of Tuthmose III (1479-1425 BC) from Loynes et al. 2017 :

Virtopsy shows a high status funerary treatment in an early 18th Dynasty non-royal individual - Forensic Science, Medicine and Pathology

This work presents the multidisciplinary investigation of the head of Nebiri (Museo Egizio, Turin S_5109), Chief of Stables, a high status elite person from the 18th Dynasty involving MDCT, 3D brain surface and facial reconstructions accompanied by a consideration of previously presented...

link.springer.com

 

[Ben Dover]

@Nassbean have you collected any more studies about the phenotype of natufians? It's safe to assume that they were darker arabids, darker than modern day non-ssa admixed saudis, however I would like to see more studies exploring their majestic phenos.

 

[Kurdquistador]

by the way the Iran HG i posted in the previous page ....Iran N didnt look quite like that i think . because hotu gets 12% or so ssa on gedmatch which the iran N doesnt have

 

[Ben Dover]

by the way the Iran HG i posted in the previous page ....Iran N didnt look quite like that i think . because hotu gets 12% or so ssa on gedmatch which the iran N doesnt have

I'll model hotu later because gedmatch isn't great at modeling ancients.

 

[Kurdquistador]

I'll model hotu later because gedmatch isn't great at modeling ancients.

gedmatch is not for modelling . but fact of the matter is that hotu gets 12 or so ssa

 

[Ben Dover]

gedmatch is not for modelling .

It essentially models moderns and ancients.

but fact of the matter is that hotu gets 12 or so ssa

On gedmatch.....

On G25 Iran_N is 3% SSA. It's irrelevant what gedmatch shows but I'll model iran_meso later.

 

[Kurdquistador]

it is not irrelevant wtf

many gedmatch calcs will give you an accurate ssa score

 

[Nassbean]

@Nassbean have you collected any more studies about the phenotype of natufians? It's safe to assume that they were darker arabids, darker than modern day non-ssa admixed saudis, however I would like to see more studies exploring their majestic phenos.

Natufians were morphologically intermediate between Niger-Congo people and west eurasians :

Source : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16371462/


As for dental morphology, Lipschultz 1997 shows that they were distinct from late pleistocene nubians who were similar to modern west africans :

All of the Natufian dental samples are significantly different from the late Pleistocene Nubian dental sample.

Joshua G. Lipschultz, Who were the natufians? A dental assessment of their biological coherency

 

[Ben Dover]

it is not irrelevant wtf

It's irrelevant. Cut the bullshit.

many gedmatch calcs will give you an accurate ssa score

It either will or it won't. At least for moderns.

 

[Ben Dover]

Natufians were morphologically intermediate between Niger-Congo people and west eurasians :

Source : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16371462/


As for dental morphology, Lipschultz 1997 shows that they were distinct from late pleistocene nubians who were similar to modern west africans :



Joshua G. Lipschultz, Who were the natufians? A dental assessment of their biological coherency

Fucking Natufians..

 

[Kurdquistador]

It's irrelevant. Cut the bullshit.

It either will or it won't. At least for moderns.

it is not irrelevant . period

but why do you think so anyway . why would G25 be better in determining ssa than gedmatch ? there is no reason

 

[Nassbean]

Using genetics to assess the phenotype/morphology of prehistoric populations is useless except for a few traits. Populations like the andaman islanders, melanesians, australian aborigines, etc are all perfectly eurasian genetically and plot far from any dark-skinned african yet they look closer in appearance to africans and explain why indians are dark-skinned and morphologically plot close to east africans. As pointed out by many anthropologists, there was way more diversity among prehistoric humans than today.

 

[Ben Dover]

it is not irrelevant . period

It is. Period.

but why do you think so anyway . why would G25 be better in determining ssa than gedmatch ? there is no reason

Gedmatch is outdated. For ancients gedmatch runs are complete horseshit. Also, Gedmatch is more vague.

 

[Ben Dover]

Using genetics to assess the phenotype/morphology of prehistoric populations is useless except for a few traits. Populations like the andaman islanders, melanesians, australian aborigines, etc are all perfectly eurasian genetically and plot far from any dark-skinned african yet they look closer in appearance to africans and explain why indians are dark-skinned and morphologically plot close to east africans. As pointed out by many anthropologists, there was way more diversity among prehistoric humans than today.

That's fair.

 

[Kurdquistador]

bro you cant model ancients well on G25 .....

how are you gonna model a mesolithic population ....nonsense

 

[Ben Dover]

bro you cant model ancients well on G25 .....

how are you gonna model a mesolithic population ....nonsense

Of course there is a possibility to model mesolithic populations ln gedmatch, albeit it's going to be slightly sketchy. Gedmatch doesn't even deserve to be discussed because it's way off and inaccurate.

 

[Ponto]

Natufians were morphologically intermediate between Niger-Congo people and west eurasians :

Source : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16371462/


As for dental morphology, Lipschultz 1997 shows that they were distinct from late pleistocene nubians who were similar to modern west africans :



Joshua G. Lipschultz, Who were the natufians? A dental assessment of their biological coherency

Those sort of studies are dated. Anyhow, Brace was an asshole, and dead. Skull shape is plastic and not a useful metric. I'ld go with genetics than skull shape, and most racial characteristics are in the face.

 

[Ben Dover]

The pinnacle of the white caucasoid Indo-Aryan race.

 

[Ben Dover]

Anyway this is LGM caucasus, the time when CHG occupied satsurblia cave and kodias klde, however that's not what CHG looked like most likely.

 

[Ben Dover]

Another Iran_N hypo reconstruction

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1622614846670835712