lol at armenians being borderline northern west asians . they are not less northern west asians than we are
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Georgian Jews. What do you think about their overall phenotype?
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Kit Number: M615964
Kit Number: M785102
Name: arm5_Armenian
Kit Number: M987710
Name: Armenia73
Kit Number: M252470
Name: arm12_Armenian
Kit Number: M890679
Name: arm17_Armenian
Kit Number: M314781
Name: Armenia279
Kit Number: M977276
Name: Armenia91
Kit Number: M033949
Name: arm11_Armenian
Kit Number: M411132
Name: arm18_Armenian
Kit Number: M929568
Name: arm19_Armenian
Kit Number: M921675
Name: armenia162
Kit Number: M738335
Name: armenia86
Kit Number: M867697
Name: Armenia176
Kit Number: M166728
Name: Arm23_Armenian
Kit Number: M833251
Name: arm26_Armenian
Kit Number: M041739
Name: ARM3_Armenian
Kit Number: T754242
Name: Armxz
Kit Number: M108907
Name: Armenia102
Kit Number: M811077
Name: Armenia36
Kit Number: M732882
Name: Armenia106
Kit Number: M902742
Name: Armenia71
Kit Number: M773883
Name: arm20_Armenian
Kit Number: M196981
Name: armenia139
Kit Number: M667951
Name: armenia293
Kit Number: M311417
Name: Arm4_Armenian
Kit Number: M470589
Name: Arm6_Armenian
Kit Number: M442885
Name: Arm8_Armenian
These are all the armenian kits I have got.
They are too much mixed with the Assyrians, Levantines and other Southern West Asians. Originally, they are not even from the Caucasus region at all, but from the Armenian Plateau/Anatolia. I have never considered Armenians as one of us and never will. Doesn't matter what other think. It is ok with me.
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I told you that it is all I have got. I know for a fact that one or two armenian kits that I posted seem to be heavily georgian admixed based on their results and some of them are also southern shifted but a descent number of them fall in the range of average armenians
A908697 – C Ghevondian
M320610 – Miro Markarian
M151839 – Vardan Antonyan
M151839 – Shara Boghozian
DQ6451638 – Anna Kasian
EZ6911866 – Razmik Hovanissian
T663028 – Vartgez Mansourian
M912307 – sate kazanian
M176698 - Harut mirzakhanyan
QM3413283 - Sevak Boodaghian
FD4002705 – leo zadourian
A289031 – artine bouladian
A915929 – narek tahmazyan
A813935 - Gohar Khachatryan
M427105 - Edgar Engibarian
KE7516008 – malcolm makarian . 15% south asian in eurogenes k12b . gypsy ?
T363151 – harry tavitian
T044399 - loussin gueriguian
T912196 - Garbis Bolsajian
Armen Darakjian - T228806
Nerses Bolsajian - A584556
T659869 - sshahinian@hotmail.com
Hemshins :
Kit Number: M738335
Name: Hemshin
Kit Number: M667951
Name: Hemshin
Kit Number:M732882
Name:Hemshin
NirzeT404633
T670967
T421856
KeghiA208889
KeghiA648265
KeghiA496456
Kayseri, YozgatT266595
DiyarbekirA076598
MarsovanT981920
DersimT708438
AintabT565170
AintabA289031
AintabT544104
MarsovanT981920
HadjinT981920
Içme, HarputA076759
Kayseri, YozgatT266595
AintabT565170
AintabA289031
AintabT544104
KeghiT741740
KeghiT726788
Turkey, RomaniaT749984
Khoshmat, PaluT639116
Khoshmat, PaluT527332
Khoshmat, PaluA142207
KeghiT741740
KeghiT726788
GurinT404633
BursaA224273
EverekM140866
BerejigT565170
BerejigA289031
BerejigT544104
Içme, HarputA076759
Keghi, Erzurum A076598
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Içme, Harput A076759
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Aleppo, Marresh, Ordaquegh A038394
Arapkir and later Aleppo M415042
Kharpert (Harput) A076598
Gavra, Sivas A208889
Sivas A224273
Gavra, Sivas A496456
Keghi T708438
Keghi T064469
Keghi, Erzurum A076598
Geyve A038394
Nirze T404633
Fenesse T404633
Keghi T064469
Keghi, Erzurum A076598
Istanbul T981920
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Kars T981920
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Everek M140866
Sepastia (Sivas) T639116
Sepastia (Sivas) T527332
Sepastia (Sivas) A142207
Gurin T404633
Keghi A208889
Keghi A648265
Keghi A496456
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Everek M140866
Hadjin T981920
Arapkir and later Aleppo M415042
Keghi A208889
Keghi A648265
Keghi A496456
Everek M140866
Hadjin T981920
Bursa A224273
Diyarbekir A076598
Everek M140866
Gavra, Sivas A208889
Gavra, Sivas A224273
Gavra, Sivas A496456
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Kars T981920
KeghiA 208889
Chanakgi, Keghi A648265
Chanakgi, Keghi A061582
Chanakgi, Keghi A496456
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Diyarbekir A076598
Aintab T565170
Aintab A289031
Aintab T544104
Keghi M081107
Keghi M603167
Keghi A593573
Kayseri, Yozgat T266595
Keghi, Erzurum A076598
Aleppo, Marresh, Ordaquegh A038394
Istanbul A061582
Keghi M081107
Keghi M603167
Keghi A593573
Harput A648265
Keghi A061582
Gurin T404633
Keghi A593573
Keghi M081107
Keghi M603167
M320610 – Miro Markarian
M151839 – Vardan Antonyan
M151839 – Shara Boghozian
DQ6451638 – Anna Kasian
EZ6911866 – Razmik Hovanissian
T663028 – Vartgez Mansourian
M912307 – sate kazanian
M176698 - Harut mirzakhanyan
QM3413283 - Sevak Boodaghian
FD4002705 – leo zadourian
A289031 – artine bouladian
A915929 – narek tahmazyan
A813935 - Gohar Khachatryan
M427105 - Edgar Engibarian
KE7516008 – malcolm makarian . 15% south asian in eurogenes k12b . gypsy ?
T363151 – harry tavitian
T044399 - loussin gueriguian
T912196 - Garbis Bolsajian
Armen Darakjian - T228806
Nerses Bolsajian - A584556
T659869 - sshahinian@hotmail.com
Hemshins :
Kit Number: M738335
Name: Hemshin
Kit Number: M667951
Name: Hemshin
Kit Number:M732882
Name:Hemshin
NirzeT404633
T670967
T421856
KeghiA208889
KeghiA648265
KeghiA496456
Kayseri, YozgatT266595
DiyarbekirA076598
MarsovanT981920
DersimT708438
AintabT565170
AintabA289031
AintabT544104
MarsovanT981920
HadjinT981920
Içme, HarputA076759
Kayseri, YozgatT266595
AintabT565170
AintabA289031
AintabT544104
KeghiT741740
KeghiT726788
Turkey, RomaniaT749984
Khoshmat, PaluT639116
Khoshmat, PaluT527332
Khoshmat, PaluA142207
KeghiT741740
KeghiT726788
GurinT404633
BursaA224273
EverekM140866
BerejigT565170
BerejigA289031
BerejigT544104
Içme, HarputA076759
Keghi, Erzurum A076598
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Içme, Harput A076759
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Aleppo, Marresh, Ordaquegh A038394
Arapkir and later Aleppo M415042
Kharpert (Harput) A076598
Gavra, Sivas A208889
Sivas A224273
Gavra, Sivas A496456
Keghi T708438
Keghi T064469
Keghi, Erzurum A076598
Geyve A038394
Nirze T404633
Fenesse T404633
Keghi T064469
Keghi, Erzurum A076598
Istanbul T981920
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Kars T981920
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Everek M140866
Sepastia (Sivas) T639116
Sepastia (Sivas) T527332
Sepastia (Sivas) A142207
Gurin T404633
Keghi A208889
Keghi A648265
Keghi A496456
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Everek M140866
Hadjin T981920
Arapkir and later Aleppo M415042
Keghi A208889
Keghi A648265
Keghi A496456
Everek M140866
Hadjin T981920
Bursa A224273
Diyarbekir A076598
Everek M140866
Gavra, Sivas A208889
Gavra, Sivas A224273
Gavra, Sivas A496456
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Kars T981920
KeghiA 208889
Chanakgi, Keghi A648265
Chanakgi, Keghi A061582
Chanakgi, Keghi A496456
Evereg T670967
Evereg T421856
Diyarbekir A076598
Aintab T565170
Aintab A289031
Aintab T544104
Keghi M081107
Keghi M603167
Keghi A593573
Kayseri, Yozgat T266595
Keghi, Erzurum A076598
Aleppo, Marresh, Ordaquegh A038394
Istanbul A061582
Keghi M081107
Keghi M603167
Keghi A593573
Harput A648265
Keghi A061582
Gurin T404633
Keghi A593573
Keghi M081107
Keghi M603167
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Nice!
@skidrow How does he even delete his comments?
there is a "delete" option on the bottom of each post one makes
i have to say though that i cherrypicked the kits with real names from gedmatch due to their higher sw-asian . well not "cherrypicked" ....i just saved those instead of ones who have less . but those who have less were all around 13-14 themselves too
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Never even looked at it
anyway ....
people have to learn to read between the lines when judging things
if you run kurdish kits through gedmatch especially like dodecad k12b for example you will see that EVEN THOUGH assyrians for example have a little more "Caucasus" .....we kurds have WAY MORE north european and also less southwest asian than them . and guess what .....georgians have even more north euro than us and even less southwest asian than us . which means that we have more similarity to them . especially if you also keep in mind that the "west-central asian" or "baloch/gedrosia" component is related to Caucasus aswell
or look at this
compare my own result to these 3 iranians
there are some iranians who will score pretty high south asian on eurogenes k12b (also other clacs) . even northern persians will sometimes score up to 11% !!
and iranians also often score less mediterranean than us
this is for example apparently a persian from isfahan
Persian from Isfahan and Tehran(confirmed by donor herself)
Persian from Tehran
they are not typical results . many iranians will have 5-6 % south asian . we can also never know if the person has ancestry from south / east iran or even south asia itself or gypsy mix . but they have many atypical individuals who will score high south asian .
now compare the results above with mine :
not only do i have practially no south asian ....i also have a lot more mediterranean than them
now if you would take these people / results and would make a an oracle then i would get them pretty high in my list because the overall scores are similar .....but the list would not show these subtile yet important differences which have a big impact on looks etc.
people have to learn to read between the lines when judging things
if you run kurdish kits through gedmatch especially like dodecad k12b for example you will see that EVEN THOUGH assyrians for example have a little more "Caucasus" .....we kurds have WAY MORE north european and also less southwest asian than them . and guess what .....georgians have even more north euro than us and even less southwest asian than us . which means that we have more similarity to them . especially if you also keep in mind that the "west-central asian" or "baloch/gedrosia" component is related to Caucasus aswell
or look at this
compare my own result to these 3 iranians
there are some iranians who will score pretty high south asian on eurogenes k12b (also other clacs) . even northern persians will sometimes score up to 11% !!
and iranians also often score less mediterranean than us
this is for example apparently a persian from isfahan
| Western European | 3.39 Pct |
| Siberian | 1.45 Pct |
| East African | 1.69 Pct |
| West Central Asian | 21.74 Pct |
| South Asian | 9.83 Pct |
| West African | - |
| Caucasus | 29.38 Pct |
| Finnish | - |
| Mediterranean | 13.46 Pct |
| Southwest Asian | 11.1 Pct |
| North European | 7.24 Pct |
| East Asian | 0.72 Pc |
Persian from Isfahan and Tehran(confirmed by donor herself)
| Western European | 1.41 Pct |
| Siberian | 2.3 Pct |
| East African | 0.8 Pct |
| West Central Asian | 27.22 Pct |
| South Asian | 14.47 Pct |
| West African | 2.19 Pct |
| Caucasus | 28.23 Pct |
| Finnish | 0.67 Pct |
| Mediterranean | 7.72 Pct |
| Southwest Asian | 8.02 Pct |
| North European | 6.51 Pct |
| East Asian | 0.47 Pct |
Persian from Tehran
| Western European | 4.8 Pct |
| Siberian | 2.7 Pct |
| East African | 0.64 Pct |
| West Central Asian | 23.89 Pct |
| South Asian | 10.15 Pct |
| West African | 0.63 Pct |
| Caucasus | 31.64 Pct |
| Finnish | - |
| Mediterranean | 9.91 Pct |
| Southwest Asian | 8.27 Pct |
| North European | 6.48 Pct |
| East Asian | 0.9 Pct |
they are not typical results . many iranians will have 5-6 % south asian . we can also never know if the person has ancestry from south / east iran or even south asia itself or gypsy mix . but they have many atypical individuals who will score high south asian .
now compare the results above with mine :
not only do i have practially no south asian ....i also have a lot more mediterranean than them
now if you would take these people / results and would make a an oracle then i would get them pretty high in my list because the overall scores are similar .....but the list would not show these subtile yet important differences which have a big impact on looks etc.
and all this together PLUS our geographical habitation being also more northern etc. makes us look like this :
www.anthroworldforum.com
i know there are many bullshit anthromyths about us online that we are punjabioid kind of people and shit . but they are just wrong anthromyths . in reality we are one of the "muh whitest" people around in the muh MENA
classify /state the main types among us in this kurdish set
bored right now . maybe someone will post we are all Kurdish what are the main types ?
www.anthroworldforum.com
i know there are many bullshit anthromyths about us online that we are punjabioid kind of people and shit . but they are just wrong anthromyths . in reality we are one of the "muh whitest" people around in the muh MENA
i didnt say we are europeans . i said we are one of the "whitest" menas . to say it in an anthrotard language that is usual for many shithole forums
and to me "white" is not exclusive to europe . to me white = caucasian just like black = negroid . if anybody disagrees with me and considers us as something else thats ok with me . but this is what i think and i base my opinion on real stuff unlike people who think that a nordid icelandic and a swarthy west asian passing cretan are both the same race and both "white" while once you cross the bosporus people look like bin laden all of a sudden and are totally different . and then they post idiotic eurogenes k15 pca plot . lol
as for the other things you said .....the usual linguistic mental gymnastic stuff
and to me "white" is not exclusive to europe . to me white = caucasian just like black = negroid . if anybody disagrees with me and considers us as something else thats ok with me . but this is what i think and i base my opinion on real stuff unlike people who think that a nordid icelandic and a swarthy west asian passing cretan are both the same race and both "white" while once you cross the bosporus people look like bin laden all of a sudden and are totally different . and then they post idiotic eurogenes k15 pca plot . lol
as for the other things you said .....the usual linguistic mental gymnastic stuff
My definition of 'white' is very different from your definition. When the word 'white' was used for the very first time even Germans were not considered ‘whites’. It is an 'English thing and we have nothing to do with them/English history.
I like history and I am a very conservative person. I like the old stuff. That means that according to me only the Northern West European Anglo-Saxon race can be considered 'white'.
I have never considered Slavic people, Spanish people, Balkan people etc. as 'white' people. Some say Hungarians who speak Magyar/Mongoloid language are 'white', lol. If Hungarian Ugric people are considered 'white', I want never to be connected to 'whites' in the first place. It is similar to me as a Kurd if people tell me I am Turkic, hehe.
Kurds are pure and true Caucasoids/Caucasus and Western Eurasian people, but we are not 'white' or European at all, never were and never will be.
And thank GOD to that, because our PIEan and Aryan ancestors weren't 'white' (Anglo-Saxon) either. We are like our Aryan and PIEan ancestors, who were NOT 'white' (Anglo-Saxon), but Caucaso-Iranic (Aryan) people.
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i understand what you mean but i look it from a pure racial point of view otherwise calling it white does not make sense .....then people should use "wasp" or "european" instead .
to me white = caucasian / west eurasian
black = negroid
yellow = mongoloid
red = amerindian
etc
but i find these color namings a bit idiotic to be fair
to me white = caucasian / west eurasian
black = negroid
yellow = mongoloid
red = amerindian
etc
but i find these color namings a bit idiotic to be fair
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That's why phenotype doesn't necessarily follow genotype in its footsteps.anyway ....
people have to learn to read between the lines when judging things
if you run kurdish kits through gedmatch especially like dodecad k12b for example you will see that EVEN THOUGH assyrians for example have a little more "Caucasus" .....we kurds have WAY MORE north european and also less southwest asian than them . and guess what .....georgians have even more north euro than us and even less southwest asian than us . which means that we have more similarity to them . especially if you also keep in mind that the "west-central asian" or "baloch/gedrosia" component is related to Caucasus aswell
or look at this
compare my own result to these 3 iranians
there are some iranians who will score pretty high south asian on eurogenes k12b (also other clacs) . even northern persians will sometimes score up to 11% !!
and iranians also often score less mediterranean than us
this is for example apparently a persian from isfahan
Western European Siberian East African West Central Asian South Asian West African Caucasus Finnish Mediterranean Southwest Asian North European East Asian
Persian from Isfahan and Tehran(confirmed by donor herself)
Western European Siberian East African West Central Asian South Asian West African Caucasus Finnish Mediterranean Southwest Asian North European East Asian
Persian from Tehran
Western European Siberian East African West Central Asian South Asian West African Caucasus Finnish Mediterranean Southwest Asian North European East Asian
they are not typical results . many iranians will have 5-6 % south asian . we can also never know if the person has ancestry from south / east iran or even south asia itself or gypsy mix . but they have many atypical individuals who will score high south asian .
now compare the results above with mine :
not only do i have practially no south asian ....i also have a lot more mediterranean than them
now if you would take these people / results and would make a an oracle then i would get them pretty high in my list because the overall scores are similar .....but the list would not show these subtile yet important differences which have a big impact on looks etc.
but it does . thats my point
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There are 4 races in the world. Caucasoid,Negroid,Mongoloid and Australoid. Australoid and Mongoloid share a lot of features. Caucasoids and Mongoloids are closer to each other than they are to Negroids and Australoids.
Caucasoids are people from the entire european continent+ iceland+UK. It also includes people of Northern Africa's med coast and the entire western asia. South-central and south asian people are also under the caucasoid umbrella