Eurogenes K12b thread

[Kurdquistador]

ROMANIAN WITH 7% WEST_CENTRAL ASIAN !!!!

 

[Ben Dover]

Post some bulgarian scores

 

[Kurdquistador]

i posted one on page 1

dont have more unfortunately

 

[ImHere]

"i think Albanians , Romanians , Greeks , and maybe Bulgarians are the europeans who northern west asians have the biggest overlap with"

If youre talking about ALL west asians(ossetians, georgians, armenians), i guess so?

But kurds and azeris(less oghuz-admixed ones) def have more an overlap with lots of south and east iranians than with balkanians. Kurds and azeris can even be closer to east iranians than to crete greeks

 

[Kurdquistador]

i meant from europeans those ethnicities are the ones who we have the biggest overlap with . regarding europe

where did this south / east iranian thing come from all of a sudden ? nobody talked about them or made a comparison

also regaridng your last sentence : who do we look closer to in your opinion ...cretans or east / south iranians ?

 

[ImHere]

i meant from europeans those ethnicities are the ones who we have the biggest overlap with . regarding europe

where did this south / east iranian thing come from all of a sudden ? nobody talked about them or made a comparison

also regaridng your last sentence : who do we look closer to in your opinion ...cretans or east / south iranians ?

Whoops, my bad. I read it as "balkanians are closest to west asians in general", as if in example kurds and balkanians are closer to each other genetically than anyone are to either.
I didnt read "those balkanians are closest to west asians out of all europeans"

Going on about looks, its obvs cretans.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Whoops, my bad. I read it as "balkanians are closest to west asians in general", as if in example kurds and balkanians are closer to each other genetically than anyone are to either.
I didnt read "those balkanians are closest to west asians out of all europeans"

Going on about looks, its obvs cretans.

haha i figured that you misunderstood 😀

imagine i would have said that . that would be weird as fuck lol xD

 

[Kurdquistador]

Sardinian i think

her surname is most common in Sardinia and she gets Sardinian as first fit in K13 etc . so safe to say she is sardinian

 

[Kurdquistador]

by the way @ImHere

bro something got on my mind regarding the balkan thing

we ARE actually closer to Balkanites than to most other people . check it yourself . only some people like tajiks are closer . and we are even closer to greek islanders and south italians than to tajiks . . at most we are equidistant to tajiks / pashtuns and people like romanians , bulgarians etc

take a look

Roma dont count by the way since they are so mixed

but if we go by G25 distances (and iirc also many gedmatch calcs) then we are closer to balkans than to most other people . even closer to balkans than to many "MENAS"

lookwise we are also closer to balkans than to people like yemenese , many east / south iranians , most central and southcentral asia , etc.

Distance to: Kurdish

0.08546540 Greek_Dodecanese
0.08559416 Avar
0.08575630 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.08580148 Greek_Kos
0.08580854 Sephardic_Jew_o
0.08632584 Lak
0.08650922 Turkish_Balikesir
0.08651602 Turkish_Northwest
0.08830787 Kaitag
0.08939932 Greek_Crete
0.09065610 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.09105634 Kubachinian
0.09109419 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.09159055 Jordanian
0.09296648 Romaniote_Jew
0.09315957 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.09377187 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.09477838 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.09575390 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.09581737 Sephardic_Jew
0.09589703 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.09605429 Darginian
0.09776510 Palestinian
0.09914811 Italian_Jew
0.09940916 Italian_Calabria
0.10053654 Samaritan
0.10147667 Italian_Campania
0.10200212 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
0.10231477 Greek_Izmir
0.10237840 Libyan_Jew
0.10245452 Italian_Basilicata
0.10290480 Turkish_Rumeli
0.10492006 Moroccan_Jew
0.10526996 Tunisian_Jew
0.10544246 Italian_Apulia
0.10579870 Maltese
0.10613596 Sicilian_East
0.10716570 Italian_Molise
0.10725998 Italian_Abruzzo
0.10812752 EmiratiB
0.11060040 Sicilian_West
0.11251875 Turkish_Deliorman
0.11252100 Greek_Peloponnese
0.11259991 Greek_Laconia
0.11263253 Makrani
0.11465720 BedouinA
0.11500771 Rumelia_East
0.11537607 Balochi_A
0.11683593 Roma_Barcelona
0.11721757 Italian_Lazio
0.11727198 Italian_Umbria
0.11757142 Italian_Marche
0.11816177 Greek_Macedonia
0.11844765 Greek_Thessaly
0.11971416 Tajik_Kulob
0.12014292 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.12047493 Tajik_Rushan
0.12120018 Gagauz
0.12363102 Albanian
0.12400004 Tajik_Shugnan
0.12407502 Pashtun_North_Afghanistan
0.12457176 Brahui
0.12579632 Italian_Tuscany
0.12759756 Tajik_Ayni
0.13136905 Swiss_Italian
0.13177258 Bulgarian
0.13206210 Tajik_Hisor
0.13275409 Tajik_Badakshan
0.13288911 Italian_Piedmont
0.13332727 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.13590889 SaudiA
0.13647812 Balochi_B
0.13795286 Yemenite_Amran
0.13816751 Macedonian
0.13934186 Italian_Liguria
0.14090793 French_Corsica
0.14095520 Romanian
0.14218565 Tarkalani
0.14334012 Uthmankhel
0.14416999 Italian_Lombardy
0.14447737 Italian_Veneto
0.14712833 Italian_Bergamo
0.14712872 EmiratiA
0.14713180 Italian_Northeast
0.14745767 Moldovan
0.14780792 SaudiB
0.14859112 Montenegrin
0.14879282 Serbian
0.14977318 Yusufzai
0.14981798 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.15137243 French_Provence

 

[ImHere]

Youre barely much closer to yagnobis than to island greeks, though theyre signficantly partially iranian, though have some turkic ancestry(little). The other tajiks have larger amount of turkic ancestry(around 30-50% uzbek)

The tajiks/persians i were talking about, lives in western AFG + khorosan and south iran.

These are your distances(Ignore the two first ones. First one looks like a kurdish/tehrani migrant, the other looks very largely migrant admixed):





Keep in mind the Herat example is on more AASI shifted cline. Yet you arent even that much closer to the south italian averages than the herati, and significantly closer to crete greeks than to the herati sample(but almost inbetween the crete and most khorosanis, albeit a bit closer to the east iranians). Other heratis(west afghans) can be like the mashhad sample refered to as "Roy"(he has ancestry from Herat and Badakhshan)


Your distance to balkanians to prove what i said. And keep in mind i was arguing that you arent much closer to balkanians than to east iranians, not island greeks. But it appears youre placed inbetween khorosanis and island greeks.


Even around half of west/NW iranians(both kurds, azeris and persians, aka west asians) arent much closer to even dodecanese(west asian shifted island greeks) than to a pashtun like me(and the ones who are slightly/significantly closer to them, are usually placed inbetween me and mainland greeks. The ones who are barely closer to dodecanese/crete greeks than to me, are usually slightly/significantly closer to me than to balkanians.




Now your own distances to island greeks, south italians and balkanians:





Now for the iraqi kurds:


The kurdish average(again, ignore the two first samples):








You see, you arent that much closer to island greeks even than to east iranians, and largely closer to east iranians/many west afghans than to balkanians like albanians and macedonians

 

[Kurdquistador]

can we say that we are more or less equidistant to east iranians / west afghans and albanians / macedonians / romanians ?

also if we skip those eastern iranians (which was my point ) then we are actually closer to balkans than to most other people . we are closer to balkans (especially greece) and south italy than to south asia by far . and unlike south asians we dont have AASI even and are west eurasians , we are closer to balkans/s.italy than to gulf arabs , we are closer to balkans / s.italy than to north africans , we are closer to balkans / s.italy than to ssa , east asians , amerindians , australoids etc.

and lookwise we are closer to balkans than to most of the mentioned peoples

 

[ImHere]

can we say that we are more or less equidistant to east iranians / west afghans and albanians / macedonians / romanians ?

also if we skip those eastern iranians (which was my point ) then we are actually closer to balkans than to most other people . we are closer to balkans (especially greece) and south italy than to south asia by far . and unlike south asians we dont have AASI even and are west eurasians , we are closer to balkans/s.italy than to gulf arabs , we are closer to balkans / s.italy than to north africans , we are closer to balkans / s.italy than to ssa , east asians , amerindians , australoids etc.

and lookwise we are closer to balkans than to most of the mentioned peoples

whut? I literally just shown youre genetically inbetween east iranians/many west afghans and island greeks? How come you be equidistant to balkanians and khorosanis? Youre on the other hand barely closer to balkanians like albanians and macedonians than to pashtuns like me(and im not as west asian shifted as khorosanis, who plots almost right inbetween kurds and me). There are kurds and other west asians little/slightly closer to me in comparison to you.

Also, i never said you were genetically closer to south asians than to balkanians. I said you were closer to east iranians, west afghans and south iranians(people you dont consider west asians) than to balkanians

 

[ImHere]

As i said, it aint even just east iranians, but also south iranians.

Here's the distances for the average kurd(iraq) to coastal iranians:






Ignore the first bandar sample. It clearly looks like its a migrant from Tehran/Khuzestan. Though seyyed 94(which is from Shiraz, capital of Fars, counted as south Iran too) is rather more west iranian shifted, it got 6% AASI/11,4% SI on HW, 3/4 the amount of AASI i got, something you never will consider west asian/west eurasian, and what guti would consider to be "tri-racial"

Also, i think both the last samples are iranian balochis? Those exist in coastal iran(im pretty positive last one is a baloch)




Now your own distances:





Again, ignore the first sample. Looks like a tehrani/khuzestani migrant.

You see, you arent even that much closer to island greeks or south italians than to around 1/3 of the south iranians(and the last two ones appaears to be balochis), and to the iranians more distant, youre slightly closer to the crete average than to the more distant iranians. But not much closer.


So if you have huge overlap(at least kurds, azeris and nw iranian persians) with balkanians or even island greeks/south italians, you also have huge overlap with east iranians, heratis(west afghans), south iranians and even pashtuns like me(as kurds, including yourself, arent much closer to albanians or macedonians than to me)


Now i was just talking about genetically/ancestrially affinity. Physical appearence.....its another story

 

[Kurdquistador]

i think you misunderstood me again

i am saying that we are closer to balkans than to south asia , southwest asia , etc. . . also a little closer than to many pashtuns etc

i didnt refer to east / south iranians

anyway nvm

 

[ImHere]

You refered to tajiks though:

"we are even closer to greek islanders and south italians than to tajiks"

However, yes, i shouldnt had picked up south iranians.

 

[Kurdquistador]

@Mesoman

i found Bulgarians who score a few percent west-central asian . i found many more bulgarians and some also score between 4-5 % and some also between 3-4 % . and many score barely any

these are the ones with the highest scores so fat that i found

the overlap with northern west asia looks even more evident now . especially with Georgians . so it is no surprise that northern west asians and ESPECIALLY Georgians often look similar to Bulgarians and Romanians . unlike what anthrotards in several forums say ....it is not a magic thing . it DOES go hand in hand with genetics

take a look at the caucasus score of these bulgarians for example and also of the romanians i posted already in this thread . they score a significant amount of it . and even a few percent west-central asian . and Georgians themselves at the same time score often several percent of west european and even some north european too . and of course a significant amount of mediterranean . the southwest asian score between bulgarians/romanians and many georgians is similar .

it is the PROPORTIONS that make the difference in "muh plotting". the "but georgians dont plotz in yurop" thing many idiots say is caused because of this . according to them sardinians are not european because they dont plot in the "european cluster" (which doesnt exist ...it is all over the place) in their outdated pca plots

anyway the Bulgarians :

keep in mind that these are only the bulgarians i picked who have the most west-central asian . some bulgarians score even up to 20-22% or so caucasus !!!! edit : like the first one below actually

 

[Ben Dover]

@Mesoman

i found Bulgarians who score a few percent west-central asian . i found many more bulgarians and some also score between 4-5 % and some also between 3-4 % . and many score barely any

these are the ones with the highest scores so fat that i found

the overlap with northern west asia looks even more evident now . especially with Georgians . so it is no surprise that especially Georgians often look similar to Bulgarians and Romanians . unlike what anthrotards in several forums say ....it is not a magic thing . it does go hand in hand with genetics .

take a look at the caucasus score of these bulgarians for example and also of the romanians i posted already in this thread . they score a significant amount of it . and even a few percent west-central asian . and Georgians themselves at the same time score often several percent of west european and even some north european too . and of course a significant amount of mediterranean . the southwest asian score between bulgarians/romanians and many georgians is similar .

it is the PROPORTIONS that make the difference in "muh plotting". the "but georgians dont plotz in yurop" thing many idiots say is caused because of this . according to them sardinians are not european because they dont plot in the "european cluster" (which doesnt exist ...it is all over the place) in their outdated pca plots

anyway the Bulgarians :

keep in mind that these are only the bulgarians i picked who have the most west-central asian . some bulgarians score even up to 20-22% or so caucasus !!!!

It is nice to see that bulgarians score as much SW asian as georgians. There caucasus scores is what one would expect from a population which inhabits the regions they inhabit. I am curious tho why would bulgarians, romanians score similar amounts of SW asian as georgians

 

[Kurdquistador]

they got it probably from ANF and a little Levant N ? dunno löl

 

[Ben Dover]

they got it probably from ANF and a little Levant N ? dunno löl

Maybe from ANF

 

[FinalFlash]

It is nice to see that bulgarians score as much SW asian as georgians. There caucasus scores is what one would expect from a population which inhabits the regions they inhabit. I am curious tho why would bulgarians, romanians score similar amounts of SW asian as georgians

Maybe from ANF

they got it probably from ANF and a little Levant N ? dunno löl

Through their ANF ancestry. There hasn't been a Levant_N rich population that has directly impacted modern day Bulgarians to my knowledge.