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[Chevalier de Balibari]

you dont understand what I said . I took out many of the samples to prove a point otherwise the list would have been too long

I understand what you mean but Iran N has something basal eurasian and its shifting it to South Asia compared to CHG witch is pure Eurasian.

 

[Kurdquistador]

I understand what you mean but Iran N has something basal eurasian and its shifting it to South Asia compared to CHG witch is pure Eurasian.

it is the other way around . CHG shifts a little towards EHG but Iran N is not south asian

as I said Iran N has only 6-7% south asian itself

Iran N is not south asian

imagine this

EHG ------------------------------------------------------CHG ----Iran N -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------south asian


thats like saying that Austrians are closer to Saudis than Icelandics are

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

what is "Iranic" ? explain please

It depends.Genes are hard to explain it but Ossetians are mostly north caucasus people,their Persian/Iranic autosomal is a joke.Like Pontic Greeks are Greeks xD.

 

[Kurdquistador]

It depends.Genes are hard to explain it but Ossetians are mostly north caucasus people,their Persian/Iranic autosomal is a joke.Like Pontic Greeks are Greeks xD.

I just showed you that I am way closer to europeans than to pashtuns who are "Iranic"

I am also closer to Ossetians than to Balochs , Pashtuns etc

there is no iranic cluster

 

[Kurdquistador]

btw. we should look into Eurogenes K12b . it is a great calculator . I will post CHG and Iran N results

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

South Asian people don't have much CHG at the first place. They have Iran_Neo. And Iran_Neo itself is Western Eurasian component.

CHG evolved Iran_Neo. Those Y-DNA haplogroups in the Caucasus are mostly from Kurdistan/Iranian Plateau.


The Medes themselves were native to Northwest Asia. The Medes were CIC (Central Iranian Component/Iran_ChL) folks. Upper Mesopotamia was already populated by the Iranic people before the Medes. Think of Mitanni/Kassites and before them the Gutians. Gutians were proto-Northwestern Iranic people.

Iranic people arrived in modern Iran from adronovo and sintasta.They were indoeuropeans who come in modern Iran and assilimated the native there(gutians,kassites,elamites) etc.They are not natives there lol.We dont know what languagne Iran Chalcolithic people used to talk xD.They iranicized/persianicized during LBA/EIA

 

[Kurdquistador]

Iranic people arrived in modern Iran from adronovo and sintasta.They were indoeuropeans who come in modern Iran and assilimated the native there(gutians,kassites,elamites) etc.They are not natives there lol.We dont know what languagne Iran Chalcolithic people used to talk xD.They iranicized/persianicized during LBA/EIA

we are native to west asia

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

I just showed you that I am way closer to europeans than to pashtuns who are "Iranic"

I am also closer to Ossetians than to Balochs , Pashtuns etc

there is no iranic cluster

You are closer to ossetians because you have more similar admixtures with them rather with people from balochistan witch is obvious since you are kurdish and Kurds are not fully Balochi.

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

we are native to west asia

you are but your languange is not.Your dialect is Iranic/Persian.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Eurogenes k12b . great calc !

Satsurblia CHG - Georgia

Kotias CHG - Georgia

Ganj Dareh N / Iran Neolithic

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

Tell that to the Ossetians. Ossetians consider themselves Iranic and they have also an Iranic identity.

Ossetians are Eastern Iranic people. Just google the affinity between the Ossetians and Persians. You will find some info about it.

I have met many Ossetians in my life. They are more Iranic than you think. And they are very proud about their Iranic ancestry.

They are in culture and identity not by genes.

 

[Kurdquistador]

You are closer to ossetians because you have more similar admixtures with them rather with people from balochistan witch is obvious since you are kurdish and Kurds are not fully Balochi.

"not fully balochi"

wat ?

we are not balochi

 

[Kurdquistador]

They are in culture and identity not by genes.

what is "iranic genes" that the Ossetians dont have ?

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

"not fully balochi"

wat ?

we are not balochi

I know,i am saying you dont have balochi genes.Balochi genes are mostly Iran N+South Asia with some Steppe.

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

what is "iranic genes" that the Ossetians dont have ?

Are you kidding me?Ossetians are north caucasians.Their genetic make up is similar to dagestanis,chechens,cissarians,akzabians and various caucasian groups.They dont clushter with Persians,Kurds or Yazidis.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Are you kidding me?Ossetians are north caucasians.Their genetic make up is similar to dagestanis,chechens,cissarians,akzabians and various caucasian groups.They dont clushter with Persians,Kurds or Yazidis.

I am asking you what the "Iranic genes" you are talking about is that ossetians dont have

 

[Kurdquistador]

I am not trying to be a smartass towards you dont get me wrong . but we have to define what this "Iranic gene" is supposed to mean

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

When Persians and Medes arrived in Zagros area they mixed with the native tribes there(gutians,kassites,elamites,manaeans etc).So the people there have become more Persian by genetics.Witch means more Iran N and more Steppe(Sintasta-Andronovo).Thats why modern Kurds have also steppe genes.Iran Chalcolithic people did not had steppe.They were a combination of Anatolian N+Iran N+CHG with some Levant N.

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

I am not trying to be a smartass towards you dont get me wrong . but we have to define what this "Iranic gene" is supposed to mean

I told you that Iranic genes are mostly associated with BA/IA Iran.Iran Chalcolithic people were different.

 

[Kurdquistador]

ok so you are saying that Iranic genes = Iran N + Steppe ?