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[Kurdquistador]

Who is a baboon here? You looked at the mirror?


Kurds have much more Caucasus + Gedrosia components than Baloch/Brahui people. They have more Iran_NEO, but Kurds have much more Iran_ChL/CHG.

I have 65.77% (Caucasus + Gedrosia). Baloch/Brahui would have much less of it.

we can compare our faces too . post your face show people your 100% aryan face . you look like a weirdo seriously

but we dont need to argue . it will lead to nothing . either post your pic (without sunglasses) and accept that my results are more northern than yours or be quite . just dont talk about my ethnicity anymore

we are talking about the gedrosian component here . you are saying that because you have more gedrosia than me that it makes you more northen xD . so dont duck it . according to your logic my higher caucassus , higher atlantic med , higher north european doesnt make me more northern than you but the total score of your caucasus and gedrosian being higher than mine makes you more northen ;D looool . and your caucasus is lower than mine . it is your gedrosia making the total score of the both components together higher . and that component peaks in baloch and brahuis so according to your logic baloch are most northern

if you cant follow this you are stupid

 

[Kurdquistador]

I dont want to insult you but you are annoying with your weird rants and wrong claims

we are talking about the gedrosian component because you use it to say that you are more northern than me . focus on this

I will copy paste what I said :

"we are talking about the gedrosian component here . you are saying that because you have more gedrosia than me that it makes you more northen xD . so dont duck it . according to your logic my higher caucassus , higher atlantic med , higher north european doesnt make me more northern than you but the total score of your caucasus and gedrosian being higher than mine makes you more northen ;D looool . and your caucasus is lower than mine . it is your gedrosia making the total score of the both components together higher . and that component peaks in baloch and brahuis so according to your logic baloch are most northern "

 

[Kurdquistador]

I am 34 btw. . how old are you anyway lol

 

[Kurdquistador]

I wonder if this guy is trolling now

@other members . can you jump in and tell this guy that he is being idiotic

 

[Kurdquistador]

gedrosian component is a NATIVE Northern West Asian component.

'atlantic med or north european' are not native Northern West Asian components.

You might be northern EURASIAN, but I'm more Northern West Asian, period.

so this means that baloch and brahui are the most northern then according to this logic dont you see how ridiculous you sound ?

I am more northern west asian than you . sorry .

I am more northern AND more northern west asian. my caucasus score is higher , my north european is higher , my atlantic med is higher . and I hail from a geographically more northern area than you

case closed

and north levantines are northern west asian people

 

[Kurdquistador]

bro there is nothing wrong with being wrong or admitting to make mistakes . you are just totally wrong with all this . dont be ashamed of it and just say that you thought wrong . it is not a problem

look at the caucasus and gedrosia scores of baloch (from the spreadsheet) :

Gedrosia : 64.44

Caucasus : 5.49

so together : 69.93

a huge number . according to your logic they are the most northern northern north north west asians

 

[Kurdquistador]

I didnt make fun of them . I just showed you your flawed logic

and no balochs are not northern west asians . man you really are living in a weird world in your head

balochs are northern west asian but northern levantines arent ....right .....LOL

balochs have too much south asian to be west asian to begin with

and I am genetically as far from a baloch as I am to a bulgarian . so nope they are not west asian

 

[Kurdquistador]

language is not race how often do I have to tell you this . enough with your nonsense

we neither look like balochs nor do we cluster with them . I am even closer to several european populations than to balochs

I have nothing against balochs . they are actually an interesting people . but I will not claim bullshit only because they speak an iranic language

and now enough . I already wasted enough time with this idiotic discussion . you will not change your thinking anyway . let other members judge this . they will obviously see that I am right

 

[Kurdquistador]

every northern west asian scores high in caucasus and gedrosia

 

[Kurdquistador]

why do you ask him lol . have you missed our discussion ? dude is delusional and doesnt use logic

 

[Kurdquistador]

lol at minor colchian

this guy really believes that we kurds are more related to colchis than pontic greeks are . haha ao much nonsense

 

[Kurdquistador]

What is your opinion for the above breakdowns. Is my Pontic Greek family related to Colchis/Lazica?

I think so

they are basically native to northeastern turkey and most likely related to the colchis

and I think they have some west anatolian or greek admix too

 

[Merd]

I said stop the nonsense you weirdo !!!!!! stop it

according to your logic baloch and brahui people are the most northern people then because the gedrosia peaks in them

dude stop talking about kurdish matters . talk about yezidis or whatever ....you guys are kinda your own thing anyway . leave the kurdish things to others

and I dont have it from turkomans or whatever . I have it from native anatolian and steppe . and I am more northern than you . more caucasus more north european more atlantic med . period

I just registered here to answer you.

I have been following your posts on the Internet for quite some time in fact I even saw you post on youtube under Turkish videos point out how you love Turkish people and Turkey and feel close to them. Something is really fucked up here. I also know Guti he is as weird but the fact that you would start to divide Kurds into groups in a heartbeat because his phantasies are not matched with the reality or opinion of others, is quite astonishing.

Yezidis are certanly Kurds that is proven by DNA, by language and by culture. Whats up with all this bullshit I recently see on the Internet? suddenly Yezidis are no Kurds, Feyli and Lurs are no Kurds, Zaza/Dimli are no Kurds? Who the fuck is a Kurd?


Guti might talk allot of nonsense and he got banned for it several times on different places but he is not entirely wrong on this point.

Levantines are genetically predominantly descend from a Levant Neolithic /Bronze Age source. And Arabians are descend predominantly from a Levant Neolithic source too.

The only difference is that Levantines have additional Iran-Caucasus-Mesopotamian and Anatolian Neolithic admxiture.

However there genetic base is Levant Neolithic in both.


Lebanese are pretty much inbetween Arabians on one side, Anatolians, Caucasians-Iranian Plateau on the second end and to Greeks on the other. That is because Lebanese and Arabians sharethe same genetic core => Levant_Neolithic. And the drift away is due to Northen and eastern admixture in the case of the Levantines and an yet unknown ancestral Arabian population in modern Saudis as example.

So yes he is right in that Levantines are genetically different to "Northern West Asians". Though I wouldn't put them into the same category with Arabians either but use a Levantine cluster.


About the Balochi. The "Gedrosia" (outdated calculator) component peaks in them true but the rest of their DNA is more foreign to the their core DNA that is what differentiates them.

And these calculators are outdated anyways. And my advice to you stop questioning the Kurdish-ness of others because you don't like their opinions. You are not in the position to decide this.

 

[Merd]

Sidenote Yezidi Kurds are not the "purest Kurds" that is some misbelief installed by people without knowledge. It is not like the Yezidi caste system existed since ancient times. It is a system that was introduced by Sheikh Adi around the 11th century, before that the Yezidis were as much exposed to mixing as other Kurds.

Yezidis are certanly genetically quite pure Kurds but they aren't purer than most other non Yezidi Kurds. Overall Kurds are quite homogenous from one end to the other.

 

[Merd]

I think something is wrong with the scores. Something is wrong here. Balochi people in Iran are very different from the Balochi people in Pakistan.

Since Iran is Northern West Asia and Balochi people from Iran are from Iran, they can be seen also as Northern West Asian people



You make fun of Balochi people, but do you know who they are?

Balochi people are originally from Kurdistan. Like Kurds they are the descendants of the Medes.

Do you know which language do Balochi people speak? Exactly, a Northern West IRANIAN language, very similar to the Kurdish. Much closer to Kurdish than to the Persian.

But they have elevated Gedrosia ancestry since they have also a lot Iran_NEO ancestry, while Kurds have a lot CHG/Iran_ChL ancestry.

There is nothing wrong in here. Balochis are very high in the Iran_Neolithic component but in contrast they also have high South Eurasian and even some Levant Neolithic DNA.

Also what I have noticed on the net when people talk about Baloch they often show images of the Makrani minority (which are quite frankly a mix of Baloch and African settlers) and act like they represent the Baloch. Real, non mixed Baloch do not look different from the surrounding Iranic speakers.

 

[Merd]

I do agree with you on this point! A native Northern West Asian scores high in Caucasus and Gedrosia. Even Northern Caucasus people like Adygei and Chechens have very much of Gedrosia.
Adygei have +17% of Gedrosia, while Chechens have ~22% of Gedrosia. At the same time all of them have +50% of Caucasus. Just like Gedrosia in Kurds, their Gedrosia is from CHG/Iran_ChL.

Take the Lebanese, while they score very high Caucasus (~40%), they score very low Gedrosia, around ~10%.

Caucasus, Gedrosia, East MEd, SW Asian etc are hybrid compoments based on modern populations They are not realy representations. You should not mix them up with Iran_Mesopotamian_Caucasian Neolithic, Anatolian Neolithic or Levant Neolithic.

 

[Kurdquistador]

I just registered here to answer you.

I have been following your posts on the Internet for quite some time in fact I even saw you post on youtube under Turkish videos point out how you love Turkish people and Turkey and feel close to them. Something is really fucked up here. I also know Guti he is as weird but the fact that you would start to divide Kurds into groups in a heartbeat because his phantasies are not matched with the reality or opinion of others, is quite astonishing.

Yezidis are certanly Kurds that is proven by DNA, by language and by culture. Whats up with all this bullshit I recently see on the Internet? suddenly Yezidis are no Kurds, Feyli and Lurs are no Kurds, Zaza/Dimli are no Kurds? Who the fuck is a Kurd?


Guti might talk allot of nonsense and he got banned for it several times on different places but he is not entirely wrong on this point.

Levantines are genetically predominantly descend from a Levant Neolithic /Bronze Age source. And Arabians are descend predominantly from a Levant Neolithic source too.

The only difference is that Levantines have additional Iran-Caucasus-Mesopotamian and Anatolian Neolithic admxiture.

However there genetic base is Levant Neolithic in both.


Lebanese are pretty much inbetween Arabians on one side, Anatolians, Caucasians-Iranian Plateau on the second end and to Greeks on the other. That is because Lebanese and Arabians sharethe same genetic core => Levant_Neolithic. And the drift away is due to Northen and eastern admixture in the case of the Levantines and an yet unknown ancestral Arabian population in modern Saudis as example.

So yes he is right in that Levantines are genetically different to "Northern West Asians". Though I wouldn't put them into the same category with Arabians either but use a Levantine cluster.


About the Balochi. The "Gedrosia" (outdated calculator) component peaks in them true but the rest of their DNA is more foreign to the their core DNA that is what differentiates them.

And these calculators are outdated anyways. And my advice to you stop questioning the Kurdish-ness of others because you don't like their opinions. You are not in the position to decide this.

I only like turks who dont hate kurds . needless to say that I hate turks who hate kurds

and I didnt say that yezidis are not kurdish . I said they are possibly not kurdish because it seems that many of them dont identify as kurdish . they somewhat seem to be their own thing . but I am not knowledged enough about them

we kurds also have some levant neolithic btw. . not as much as levantines but dont forget that levantines are only partially levant neolithic too

 

[Kurdquistador]

I am not fake and I am kurdish

stop talking bullshit

also I dont know what you mean with the "iranic" vs "east mediterranean" stuff

dude we have a big amount of Anatolian Farmer

the "Balkan Neolithic" is basically EEF / ANF but it works better for me than Barcin in this calculation

 

[Kurdquistador]

I am not ignoring it at all . I dont know why you think that I am ignoring it

as you see in my modelling above I get 38% Iran Neo and 10% CHG making it 48% together

 

[crazyladybutterfly]

The mena pca is a continum . I highly doubt the Lebanese plot closer to Yemeni than to kurds or even turks .