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[Ben Dover]

Just STOP spamming me. You are failing to convince me. I have seen any valid argument from you. I don't care what you think at all.

On this PCA map you can clearly see that Kurds are part of the Caucasian Maykop cluster.

Kurds are the CAUCASIAN Mykop people!

Lmao at that whole statement and pca. Regardless, I am not trying to convince you jn anything since you are a literal bonehead. There is no point in talking to you. I just don't like the fact that you are spreading misinformation. I hope that nobody takes you seriously and your bs

 

[Ben Dover]

No, just answer me where do (Ezdi) Kurds plot on this ACADEMIC PCA map? GAME OVER for you mate!

On that "academic" pca map? 🙂 As I said before kurds have components in more simlar quantities to armenians than to georgians and as a result, they plot closer to armenians than to georgians. I am going to end this "discussion" here

 

[Ben Dover]

Yeah, that academic PCA map where you can see ALL ancient and modern samples in 1 overview.

You can see on THAT academic PCA map you can see different clusters such as ANE, Maykop, Steppe Maykop, Trialeti, Yamnaya, EHG, WHG, ANF, Irn_Neo, CHG, Irn_ChL, Corded Ware vs the modern people.

And we can clearly see that the (Ezdi) Kurds are in intergral part of the Caucasus/Caucasian Irn_Chl - Late Maykop/Trialeti Aryan supercluster.


Armenians and Semites are not part of it, and that is why you are so butthurt.

I am pretty sure at this point that you haven't seen how ezid kurds actually score. Ezid kurds score a lot of neolithic iranian, a lot more than armenians, less CHG than armenians, they score very similarly in levantine and SW asian components. The only difference is that armenians have more anatolian barcin component than kurds. You just live in your delusional world where ezid kurds are souther caucasian population and out of many northern west asian populations they are closest to georgians. When it comes armenians, let it be western, eastern or hemshin armenian, they are all more northern west asian than you are. The only thing that you could argue about is that kurds are "more" NW asian than armenians because they have more steppe than armenians but that has nothing to do with being more northern west asian. You are just plain stupid at this point dude. Give it up

 

[Ben Dover]

Is the Late Maykop culture a local Caucasus/Caucasian culture? Yes or No?
Answer: YES!

Are the Ezdi Kurds identical to the Late Maykop culture? Yes or No?
Answer: YES!

Both positive answers make Kurds related to the Caucasus or Caucasus related to Kurds. You can choose between those 2 or both.

Lmao

 

[Ben Dover]

a) Armenians are MIXED with the Semites from the Levant! NOT my people.

b) Ezdi Kurds don't have much Irn_Neo, we have Irn_ChL. If we were Irn_Neo we would cluster with the Iranians from Sistan region or the Indians from the IVC. (Ezdi) Kurds cluster very far away from the ancient original Irn_Neo cluster. Kurds are clearly Irn_Chl people and we do actually cluster very close to the Irn_ChL.

c) Kurds are not Afro-Asiatic Semitic people, so we are clearly not from Africa like the Semites.

Just educate yourself instead of doing damage control..

 

[Ben Dover]

(Ezdi) Kurds are the Late Maykop/Trialeti people, we overlap with them in a Caucaso-Iranian (aka Aryan) Southern Caucasus supercluster. Armenians and Semites are clearly not part of it. They are NOT our people at all and never will be! GAME OVER with all the bullshit about the Kurds on internet!

Damn. You are completely ignoring the facts that I have told you and keep saying that same ridiculous nonsense regardless. What you are saying about kurds being southern caucasians is bullshit and not what I am saying. Kurds, especially ezid kurds who are more "pure" due to their religious reasons had most of their ethnogenesis in western iran in the zagrosian plateau and not in the southern caucasus. Their closest relatives are other kurds, azeris and iranians, especially from the north and west. Just don't bother to write any more delusional nonsense regarding this. That's my tip for you

 

[Kurdquistador]

the main problem is that you both take different dna tests / companies or whatever and argue

 

[Kurdquistador]

I am only using the academic papers not the laymen amateur calculators. Always follow the science. Pseudo-scientific approach has always been proven wrong.

SCIENCE is on my side!

and who says that your references are the truth ?

 

[Ben Dover]

I am only using the academic papers not the laymen amateur calculators. Always follow the science. Pseudo-scientific approach has always been proven wrong.

SCIENCE is on my side!

And the real science says that kurds are southern caucasians? I am not so sure about that

 

[Ben Dover]

a) Zagros and Caucasus border each other. Where is Zagros? It is not in Africa, China or in the Levant, right?
What was Late Maykop? Where did it come from? It was clearly not related to the Semitic people.

b) Once again, Ezdi Kurds ARE Iran_Chl and NOT Iran_Neo. Iran_Chl is very different from the Iran_Neo. Yeah, Irn_Chl was found in the Zagors Mountains, but also in the BMAC ares and the Maykop/Yamnaya Horizon. Iran_ChL is mostly CHG, like more than 60% CHG. If you don't understand this, then I can't help you.

c) Kurds DNA Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups are similar to the Late Maykop people and also similar to the Caucasus people, like Georgians. Kurds have a lot mtDNA H, U7, HV and all of them were found in the Maykop kurgans. I am not even talking about the Y-DNA

d) Azeris and Persians evolved from the Kurds, of course they would cluster close to the Kurds. But the problem with people like the Azaris is that they are clearly 'Turkified'. That is undeniable and therefore they cannot be considered related to the Kurds. They don’t speak our language

We weren't even discussing semitic speaking people and levantines. I don't understand why you always have to pull them in.

So zagros is not in china, africa and levant but it is in southern caucasus? However according to your logic levant is in africa.

If you are going to say that azeris are turkified because they speak turkic language is just against your whole idiology, because if you pay so much attention to the language then how come georgians speak an ibero-caucasian/kartvelian language and kurds speak western iranic?

Just stop this nonsense

 

[Ben Dover]

Real science is telling us is that Kurds are related to Irn_Chl, Late Maykop and Trialeti people. You like it or not. Just google where Late Maykop and Trialeti were located..

And the "real" since is indeed saying that armenians are related to "semitic" people?

 

[Kurdquistador]

you can argue that we are RELATED to georgians somewhat (not only us) . but saying we are "close" to them is a stretch . and saying we are closer to them than to armenians is ridiculous

 

[Ben Dover]

Stop being butthurt Semites.


Northern parts of Kurdistan are located in Transcaucasia (aka Southern Caucasus). A huge part of the homeland of the Medes was located in the Southern Caucasus.
Some parts of Kurdistan are in the Upper Mesopotamia, most parts are in the Zagros Mountains


But nevertheless, Kurdish DNA is related to the ancient Caucasus cultures such as Late Maykop

Complete nonsense. Just look up the map of the medes before you say dumb shit like this. Most of their territory occupied modern day iran and it also stretched to southern parts of central asia, eastern parts of afghanistan and pakistan, western parts of mesopotamia and anatolia(armenian highlands). They didn't even occupy southern caucasus technically. You have no idea what you are talking about

Edit: the medes occupied some territories of modern day armenia, mainly in the southeast but that was it for the most part. But why would it matter to you. Armenians are "pseudo-semites" after all

 

[Kurdquistador]

On the ACADEMIC PCA map Ezdi Kurds overlap with the Georgians and don't cluster with the Armenians at all.

I am also sure that Zoro from the other site can show you that the Kurds are much closer to the Georgians and even the Lezgians than to the pseudo-Semitic Armenians.

My DNA is very similar (basically identical) to the Late Maykop culture, period!

zoro ? hahaha xD

"My DNA is very similar (basically identical) to the Late Maykop culture, period!"

what do you mean by this ? can you show me ?

 

[Ben Dover]

You are such a retard. they found the ancient Median coins all the way in Georgia. The Medes were bordering the Scythians in the Northern Caucasus. And were very effective at stopping the Scythians attacking Aryan lands from the Steppes.

Semitic people don’t know anything about my Aryan ancestors. I am not trying to talk about your Semitic ancestors, right?

Well seemingly i am the retard but also i am the one who doesn't pull stories out of his ass unlike you who is a delusional, crazy middle aged man who has an obsession with georgians. You are as SW asian as "pseudo-semitic" armenians if not more so shut your wrinkly mouth🙂

The last time i checked i don't speak a semitic language so i am not a semite unlike you who is in denial about some of his SW asian ancestry since there is no Northern west asian population without any ancestry from southwest asia.

You are such a fucking retard lmao.

 

[Ben Dover]

Also the medes didn't border northern caucasians you stupid fuck🙂 their northern most border was armenia and modern iranian-azerbaijani border.

 

[Ben Dover]

Semite, just go back to Africa!

I will go back to africa while you go back to the mental assylum from which you escaped. Lmao

 

[Ben Dover]

You can't make an argument about me being a semite while you score more SW asian than me. You are more of a "semite" than I am dummy.

 

[Ben Dover]

Semites, you ruined my beautiful Ezdi topic

Semites ruined your delusional southern caucasian thread filled with bullshit. Go to sleep grandpa.

 

[Ben Dover]

Why do you want to be like my people? And want to be related to us?

Why are so much people obsessed with the Kurds? I am not the one who is trying to link myself to the Levantines, ASSyrians, Jews, Turkmen, Azari/Turks, Arabs, Afghans, Russians, Germans etc.

All what I am doing is just showing the ACADEMIC results that my people are just a mixture between Late Maykop and Trialeti. Where am I wrong? We have nothing to do with the people I mentioned. If you don't agree, then defeat my arguments with another academic arguments.


If you can't just stfu and stop being a larper!

I defetaed your bullshit arguments a shit ton if times already but since you are a stupid old man who suffers from Alzheimer's disease you don't remember any of that or it could be possible that you are just a big lying pussy. Either way, why would I try to be like an ezid kurd when I am more northern west asian than you are and that's what i only really care about.