Debunking anthromyths and bullshit ("MENA", "MiDDLE East", "IraNic", "SemiTIC", "YuROpEEnz",etc)

[Ben Dover]

Time to officially put an end to this load of crap. it's more than fucking enough that these lies and anthromyths have been floating on the web for more than a decade ever since the invention of anthroforums. It's getting tiresome that people will claim whatever the fuck they want about west asian ethnicities and they already know that they will get away with it with a pad on the shoulder. Let's bend over these fuckers and penerate them with facts and logic.

 

[idklolimo]

we are caucasoid but not white. That's all I have to say

 

[Ben Dover]

we are caucasoid but not white. That's all I have to say

We are caucasoid but white is not even a term that is agreed upon by everyone. And i could not care less if i am not white. If white is equal to European then yes I am not white but I don't give a shit

 

[Kurdquistador]

we are caucasoid but not white. That's all I have to say

negroid but not black

 

[Ben Dover]

Let's begin with "MENA".. The reason why most people link "middle easterners" and "north africans" is because of the perceived political, cultural and genetic bond that allegedly exists between the people from these regions. Well, I'll tell you what.. not only is "MENA" a deranged term but so is "Middle East". We are supposed to be similar yet we are so different.. we are literally different race not only from Maghrebi because of them having substantial SSA admix but also from some Southern West Asians. That's why coining terms such as MENA and Middle Eastern are already flawed from the beginning once you take into account the genetics and the phenotype of the people who are put under the umbrella of such terms. Let's take a look at a few MENA and Middle Eastern people shall we? you pieces of shit lel






Look at the SSA for Saudi and Southern Moroccan samples. Southern Moroccan even has 17% Taforalt which itself is 1/3 SSA/Non-Caucasoid in admixture. Now compare these Saudi and moroccan samples to me and kaburga who are also supposed to be "MENA".. Us northern west asian people are rather homogeneous in admixture and share the same components in similar amounts which is why we overlap with each other lookwise and genetically as well. Whereas Moroccans/Maghrebi in general and most South West Asians look remarkably different from us and they are also heavily non-caucasoid admixed especially in the case of north africans. South West Asians vary a lot too but there are plenty of South West Asians with as much as 10%+ SSA admixture and some even have a bit of AASI admixture on top of it. But when we are just as West Eurasian admixture wise as Yuropeenz are and we highlight the overlap we have in some aspects to Europeans people hunt us down and talk shit about us, accusing us of being OWD and forcing overlaps but if we literally lie and claim that "MENA" is the real deal and we overlap with Magrebi and many South West Asians no one will say shit because people are dishonest hypocrites. guess what you pieces of shit. Such times are over. You will be held responsible for your claims and don't expect to get away with saying whatever you want. That's not how it works

 

[idklolimo]

I am phenotypically overlap Yemeni/Ethiopian people

 

[Ben Dover]

Our "MENA" bros from ancient times

Target: Egyptian_Old_Kingdom_Period_Gizeh:I6409
Distance: 4.9824% / 0.04982376
80.2 Levant_Epipaleolithic
7.4 Zagros_Farmer
5.2 Early_European_Farmer
4.2 Caucasus_HG
3.0 Taforalt

 

[Ben Dover]

Compare and contrast. Baloch people speak western Iranic language like kurds do but the differences found in Balochi auDNA make them quite distant genetically and phenotypically to Kurds. This nonsense that sharing a language family automatically creates a deep bond between the language speakers needs to end. Some other Iranics, eastern iranics in particular are even more distant to kurds both genetically and phenotypically but that's a story for later

Target: Kurdish
Distance: 2.8576% / 0.02857600
33.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
33.4 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmer
17.8 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
8.0 Natufian_Hunter_Gatherer
6.6 EHG
0.4 East_Eurasian

VS

Target: Balochi
Distance: 2.6145% / 0.02614462
60.6 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmer
15.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
14.8 EHG
9.2 AASI

 

[Ben Dover]

it is so hypocritical that people will use the language family to force an overlap between Kurds and Pashtuns or Baloch, etc.. because I don;t see the same people using the language family to force an overlap between Armenians and Nordics because both of them speak an Indo-European languages

 

[Ben Dover]

Y'all shitheads still wanna go on and claim that people from northern west asia such as Kurds, armenians, georgians, azeris, turks, etc are "MENA" then for fucks sake check out this video from morocco and then tell me that you don't feel stupid about yourselves. Fuckers..

 

[idklolimo]

"MENA"

 

[Kurdquistador]

Y'all shitheads still wanna go on and claim that people from northern west asia such as Kurds, armenians, georgians, azeris, turks, etc are "MENA" then for fucks sake check out this video from morocco and then tell me that you don't feel stupid about yourselves. Fuckers..

mediterraneans and lighter than south euros let alone west asians

 

[Ben Dover]

Syrians are supposed to be the whitest Levantines ( therefore in the minds of many anthrotards, they are the whitest west asians ) yet they get modeled like this with a "very good" fit

Target: Syrian
Distance: 2.4770% / 0.02477008
31.8 EEF_Balkan_N
24.4 Natufian_HG
22.6 Iran_N
14.6 Caucasus_HG
4.6 Samara_HG
1.6 SSA
0.4 Jomon

 

[Ben Dover]

Modeling down below belongs to saudi. 15% SSA along with a lot of Natufian, very low CHG, and non-existent EEF. You don't have to go as far as to MENA to conclude that such groupings should not be used in the genetic context first and foremost but even the middle eastern labeling is trash and nonsensical

https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/iTolYOZONK

 

[Kurdquistador]

Modeling down below belongs to saudi. 15% SSA along with a lot of Natufian, very low CHG, and non-existent EEF. You don't have to go as far as to MENA to conclude that such groupings should not be used in the genetic context first and foremost but even the middle eastern labeling is trash and nonsensical

https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/iTolYOZONK

not only genetic context . it doesnt make any sense when it comes to looks and culture either . only religion

 

[Ben Dover]

for those of you morons on reddit and other anthroforums who insist on Iran_N giving baloch exotic and curryoid appearance, check this out. not only there are baloch who score 8% AASI which is the average score for Balochis but there are also some Baloch from that average who score up to 10-14% AASI. what are you gonna say now that 10-14% AASI is too little to have any sort of influence on the phenotypes of the Baloch who score that much? as me and enigma have concluded before, scoring 5% s-indian already results in some people showing south asian influence on their appearance let alone 5% AASI and let alone 10-14% AASI. what you shitheads need to say instead is that AASI even if it is 5% or so will make people look psuedo-punjabioid and that Iran_N is not at fault. Those Balochis who score 5% or sub 5% AASI will sometimes not show AASI/ south asian influence on their looks and such baloch can even pass as northern west asian ethnicities.

This also applies to those levantine and arabian copers out there who claim that natufian was lighter than iran_N and use Balochis as a demonstration to prove their point and as a comparison tool against Saudis. as you can see majority of baloch are not great examples of what Iran_N used to look like or the type of looks Iran_N gives to people. And even though Balochis on average have 8% AASI, there are still a shit ton of peninsular arabs who lack SSA admix but are on par with balochis or are even swarthier than them

 

[Kurdquistador]

^

also on top of that balochs score on average 12-13 % s.indian on harappaworld and can go as high as 19

 

[Ben Dover]

yes they do. especially balochis from pakistan

 

[Kurdquistador]

also there are many balochs who are STILL not more exotic than gulf arabs . they are full of shit

 

[Ben Dover]

that's what i said as well..