Collage of nuristani people

[ImHere]

All Kurds (from Bakur, Rojava, Bashur and Rojhelat) are much closer to the pure 'Persians' than to the Mongoloid Azeri and Mongoloid Turks, in any way.

Whats a "pure persian"? From what i know/heard, OG persian originated around Fars, Iran. Everyone else are just persianised non-persians

 

[Kurdquistador]

All Kurds (from Bakur, Rojava, Bashur and Rojhelat) are much closer to the pure 'Persians' than to the Mongoloid Azeri and Mongoloid Turks, in any way.

i said eastern turks . they have no mongoloid

and to be honest the azeris if you take away their few percent of mongoloid they are genetically basically like us lol

please dont let your nationalism get in the way of this discussion here . regardless if you dislike turks/azeris or not try to stay objective

check out the eurogenes k12b of northern west asians thread . i posted several azeris there . they are very similar to us with the main difference being that they have a few percent mongoloid . other than that there are minor differences

 

[Kurdquistador]

btw. @ImHere i forgot to say . i have found several iranian kit numbers on gedmatch . if you want i can send you them

this one for example is named :

Cyrus irani - M841988

and he/she scores 9.65 % south asian on eurogenes k12b

 

[ImHere]

btw. @ImHere i forgot to say . i have found several iranian kit numbers on gedmatch . if you want i can send you them

this one for example is named :

Cyrus irani - M841988

and he/she scores 9.65 % south asian on eurogenes k12b

I would like that.

By the way, that guy MIGHT have some parsi ancestry. He gets a significant match with a parsi from gujarat

 

[Kurdquistador]

I would like that.

By the way, that guy MIGHT have some parsi ancestry. He gets a significant match with a parsi from gujarat

well i dont know

but what is very clear is the fact that since iran is such a big country with so many people and with many ethnic groups . and considering the fact that according to an iranian forum member that iranians intermix with each other etc. . we can say that iranians are very diverse and they will have many individuals popping up who will score a good chunk of south asian and also considerably less mediterranean and/or west european / atlantic than us kurds

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the climate / geographical location etc.

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the characteristic look an ethnic group itself has regardless of genetics and climate

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many iranians looking different from kurds


nothing wrong with this . it is just a fact

i like iranians

 

[ImHere]

well i dont know

but what is very clear is the fact that since iran is such a big country with so many people and with many ethnic groups . and considering the fact that according to an iranian forum member that iranians intermix with each other etc. . we can say that iranians are very diverse and they will have many individuals popping up who will score a good chunk of south asian and also considerably less mediterranean and/or west european / atlantic than us kurds

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the climate / geographical location etc.

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the characteristic look an ethnic group itself has regardless of genetics and climate

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many iranians looking different from kurds


nothing wrong with this . it is just a fact

i like iranians

Oh yeah, i agree with that

 

[Kurdquistador]

dude azeris are on average only 5-6 % or so mongoloid . wtf

 

[ImHere]

'Pure' Persians are those Persians who are not mixed with the Turkmen or other non-Iranic ethnicities in Iran. Many claim to be Persian, but many lie. Like many Afghans claim to be 'Tajik, but many lie about it, because they have also other blood in them.

Pure Persians are very similar to the Kurds because the ancient proto-Persians derived from the ancient Medes who were native to Kurdistan. We have DNA from Iran. And the main component that links Kurds and Persians (but also other Iranics) is Iran_Chl. And Iran_ChL is from Kurdistan.

Here you can see that Kurds do overlap with all Western Iranic people, but not really with the Azeri Turkic Mongoloids.

Distinct genetic variation and heterogeneity of the Iranian population

Author summary Based on genome-wide genotype data on over 1000 samples from eleven ethnic groups present in Iran and by comparison to reference data sets of both extant populations and ancient DNA samples, we show that the Iranian population comprises distinct genetic variation with respect to...

journals.plos.org

Where did "pure persians" originate from as a group? From what i read, persian is assumed by linguistics and apparently historians, to come from around Fars.

I think the reason lots of persians cluster amongst kurds, while others dont, is because the fact that persianisation happened all over Iran, including people in far west and east. Then the far western pre-persians were really related to their western neighbors, but have adopted persian as their new language, same with people as far to Kabul in AFG even.

I kind of doubt "pure persians" would actually cluster closer to "pure kurds" than groups like azeris.

 

[Kurdquistador]

cluster maps dont show the details we spoke about . if 2 populations are MAJORITILY similar they will also cluster close . yet some details wont be visible . for example you can view many cluster maps where azeris cluster with kurds but azeris have a few percent mongoloid which kurds dont have . looking at the cluster map alone you will not see that

also clustering together does not necessarily mean that you have the same ethnogenesis

many turks cluster close to kurds , georgians . azeris etc. but turks are half native anatolian half central asian oghuz while people like georgians are mostly CHG + EEF

 

[Kurdquistador]

Azeri speak a Turco-Mongoloid language. It is their native language of their ancestors

They are Mongloids who came from Central Asia to West Asia and by living next to native original West Asians for 1000 years their Mongoloid DNA is going down by mixing with native Northern West Asians. But their deep roots, history, language, culture and their ORIGIN is Mongoloid, period

language is not race

it is a fact that they are only around 6% mongoloid . check it out in the eurogenes k12b thread .

it doesnt matter if they speak jackie chan language or whatever . you talk as if they are 80% mongoloid or something

 

[ImHere]

language is not race

it is a fact that they are only around 6% mongoloid . check it out in the eurogenes k12b thread .

it doesnt matter if they speak jackie chan language or whatever . you talk as if they are 80% mongoloid or something

Well, to be fair, their oghuz ancestry would be around whats like 12% and possibly even up to 20%, if they get that much east eurasian

But yeah, Guti is exaggerating a bit. And turkic languages themselves are influenced by aryan languages like iranic, indo-aryan etc. So its not like turkics themselves are purely east eurasian japs

 

[Kurdquistador]

Well, to be fair, their oghuz ancestry would be around whats like 12% and possibly even up to 20%.

But yeah, Guti is exaggerating a bit. And turkic languages themselves are influenced by aryan languages like iranic, indo-aryan etc. So its not like turkics themselves are purely east eurasian japs

but what matters in the end is what azeris themselves score and fact of the matter is that it is a few percent lol

 

[Kurdquistador]

Lol, where does their language come from? Why do they speak Mongoloid at the first place? Why do Kurds still speak Aryan like their direct ancestors the Medes?

i know what you are saying but to be clear here .....to understand you . are you saying that people from azerbaijan are like altai people ?

so from balkan turks all the way to yakut people they are mongoloid turkics ?

please bro ....as i said leave the political stuff aside in these discussions . it doesnt fit . makes no sense

 

[Kurdquistador]

of course turks still have all some shared ancestry with each other to a certain degree

however what you are saying is way out of proportion regarding reality . you call azeris mongoloids even though they are only 6% or so mongoloid . thats nonsense

so according to your logic :

lets say you have a chinese guy ....he goes to england to live and marries an english woman and gets a son with her and teaches his son chinese from small age . the son grows up and marries an english woman and gets a son with her and teaches his 1/4 chinese son chinese . this kid grows up and marries an english woman and gets a son with her and teaches him chinese . he grows up and marries an english woman and gets a son with her and teaches him chinese . so you are saying this 1/16 chinese 15/16 english son is a "mongoloid" ?

 

[Kurdquistador]

i am on phone . will amswer tomorrow

 

[Kurdquistador]

lol at that map xD

 

[Kurdquistador]

bro i will post what i think tomorrow . on phone it is too much hassle

 

[Kurdquistador]

Do you know where you make a mistake? You think that ALL Mongoloid people should be the same or look the same. Like Caucasoid people, also Mongoloid people are very diverse.


Both Arabs and Swedes are Caucasoid. Are Arabs and Swedes the same? Of course not. They don't look the same and they cluster with each other on DNA charts at all. Swedes are Whites (Scandinavian Caucasoids), while Arabs are Semitic (Southern West Asian Caucasoids).

Are Chinese the same people as Uyghur or Tatars from Russia? Of course not. But BOTH, Chinese and the Russian Tatars are Mongoloid.


There is a degree of variation in a 'Caucasoid race' and there is a degree of variation in a 'Mongoloid race'. I am sure there should also be a degree of variation in a 'Hindu/Vedic/Dravidian race' and a degree of variation in an 'African (Negroide) race'.

no that is not what i think / do

but 6% mongoloid is 6% mongoloid lol . you can not consider 6% mongoloid and 95% mongoloid people both as the same

caucasoids cluster actually pretty close on a global scale . even arabs and swedes . it is just when you go more into closer zoom that you will see the bigger distance between both populations

middle easterners and europeans are closest to each other than to anybody else

in this plot there is no arab but iraqi kurd which is also pretty distant to swedes yet as you see the iraqi kurd sample is closer to europeans and caucasus than to any other race

another one

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using uyghurs or tatars as an example is not accurate in this discussion because uyghurs and tatars are WAY more mongoloid than azeris . azeris are only 6% mongoloid while uyghurs are 50% or so and tatars 20-30% iirc


azeris are mostly caucasoid . bro this is a fact lol .

I never denied that Turks in Anatolia are mixed with the Greeks and Armenians. But nevertheless they are still Turks and ARE Mongoloid

I can make hundreds analogies.


Take Arabs for example. There are Arabs in Iran, Arabs in the Levant and Arabs in Northern Africa. Are they all the same? Of course not. But nevertheless they are still all Arabs.
An Arab population in Iran is not considered to be Persians. And Arabs in Kurdistan will never be considered as Kurds.


Or take the Gypsies. There are Gypsies (Roma) all over the world. According to you there are also some Gypsies in Kurdistan (although there are much more Gypsies in Turkey or Armenia, but that is a different discussion).
I am sure that Gypsies in Kurdistan have some Kurdish blood in them because Kurds as a dominant majority population would provide some geneflow to a minority group.
Gypsies in Europe have some European blood.

Are Gypsies in Kurdistan Kurdish or Gypsies in Europe European? Of course not. Gypsies are still Gypsies but very diverse from each other.


No matter where Gypsies live they will always be ‘Hindu/Vedic’ people.
No matter where Arabs live, they are still Arabs, Semitic people.
No matter where Jews live, they are still Jews, Semitic people.

No matter where Turks live, they are still Turks, Turanic Turco-Mongoloid people!

arab is a metha ethnicity and all arabic speaking people are called arabs . this is something different alltogether


it is not "according to me" that there are many gypsies in kurdish areas . it is a fact and i have seen a documentation about it . in turkish kurdistan we have hundreds of thousands of gypsies

but you are right (rest of) turkey has a lot more especially places like edirne etc

and yes you are right a gypsy with kurdish mix is not a kurd etc

but we are talking about azeris being mongoloid or not and this is something different . azeris are 6% mongoloid . anatolian turks are 10-12% mongoloid on average . calling azeris mongoloid is like calling myself nordid because i score 6% north european lol

 

[Kurdquistador]

ok

 

[Kurdquistador]

no i dont fully disagree with you . i understand what you are saying

but that is a VERY simplistic way to put/see things

i just dont see how an ethnicity that is 6% mongoloid on average and 94% caucasoid is "mongoloid" . löl

but ok man