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Classify this Portuguese white nationalist

Ponto

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That paper isn't about Portuguese but the hunter gatherers of Northwest Africa before the coming of Neolithic farmers, and long before the introduction of large scale slavery in North Africa by Islamic Arabs.
Papers can be amended, refuted or superseded by other papers. In essence it is just an opinion piece bolstered by some algorithms and dna testing. In science everything is up to be challenged. That paper will be challenged.
 

Hanno

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I've already read this paper, but there's another paper here (by Lazaridis and Reich) saying something different, If im not mistaken, It says that is more probably modern SSA populations having Taforalt ancestry than vice-versa.
Yeah but if Modern Africans have Torafalt Ancestry is the reason for the closeness then why don't modern Africans generally not have much West Eurasian or Natufian Component? All Tarofalt samples have higher degree of middle eastern Natufian like west Eurasian DNA. We should generally see that in west Africans. but most have practically none. There's exceptions like Fulbe, Fulani's ( It may be just closely related but not west Eurasian as Eurasians came out of north east Africa)) but the general west African or Cameroonian don't have this admixture unless they are Arabic /.Muslim
 

Hanno

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That paper isn't about Portuguese but the hunter gatherers of Northwest Africa before the coming of Neolithic farmers, and long before the introduction of large scale slavery in North Africa by Islamic Arabs.
Papers can be amended, refuted or superseded by other papers. In essence it is just an opinion piece bolstered by some algorithms and dna testing. In science everything is up to be challenged. That paper will be challenged.
Thats given but the consensus either way is that Some portion of the Ancestry is similar to west African and Mabuti / South African. Urbanssus is just trying to argue this portion of the ancestry was passed down to modern west Africans and other Sub saharans.
 

Ponto

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Yeah but if Modern Africans have Torafalt Ancestry is the reason for the closeness then why don't modern Africans generally not have much West Eurasian or Natufian Component? All Tarofalt samples have higher degree of middle eastern Natufian like west Eurasian DNA. We should generally see that in west Africans. but most have practically none. There's exceptions like Fulbe, Fulani's ( It may be just closely related but not west Eurasian as Eurasians came out of north east Africa)) but the general west African or Cameroonian don't have this admixture unless they are Arabic /.Muslim
There are assumptions in ancestry algorithms and programs that tease out ancestral admixture. The biggest assumption is the West Africans are unadmixed, so they are used as a source population, mainly Yoruba Nigerians, but the Yoruba are never used as a target population that received admixture from other races and ethnic groups from North Africa and Eurasia. Up until recently, sub Saharan West Africans were claimed to have zero Neanderthal ancestry, and compared to Eurasians it appeared to be true. Now we know that sub Saharan West Africans have Neanderthal ancestry, just rather tiny segments. The point of that is if you don't look for something you'll never find it. With Torafalt hunter gatherers, they admixed with Natufian hunter gatherers, a two way process. That happened long before Neolithic farmers from the Middle East and West Asia went to NE Africa. West Africa had corridors of trade across the Sahara with North Africa, and if the San hunter gatherers have Eurasian ancestry acquired from NE Africans, I cannot see why West Africans don't have North African and Eurasian ancestry.
 

Ponto

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Yes it is odd that these White Nationalists tend to look untypical for their ethnicity. Conversano is a Puglian surname, and according to Wikipedia he was born Daniel Didier. He could be a literal bastard. He has a face only a mother could love. In the Wikipedia article it mentioned some other White Nationalists, one described as ancien skinhead, someone called Ayoub, which is a Lebanese surname. Queer bunch, the French.
 
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