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Classify this Portuguese white nationalist

Kurdquistador

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ghost or not . they were not aliens lol . it clearly shows that they had 1/3 ssa (like) ancestry . it is probably similar to AASi being Australoid and related to papuans and aborigines etc.

but lets agree to disagree .
 

Marshall Ted

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all of this flame war on anthroforuns about
'who is whiter" or "who is mixed-race" should be end with genetic engineering in the future, probably.
 

Marshall Ted

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ghost or not . they were not aliens lol . it clearly shows that they had 1/3 ssa (like) ancestry . it is probably similar to AASi being Australoid and related to papuans and aborigines etc.

but lets agree to disagree .
Still not ssa.
 
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Ponto

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Paleolithic DNA from the Caucasus reveals core of West Eurasian ancestry https://doi.org/10.1101/423079
Moreover, our model predicts that West Africans (represented by Yoruba) had 12.5±1.1% ancestry from a Taforalt-related group rather than Taforalt having ancestry from an unknown Sub-Saharan African source11; this may have mediated the limited Neanderthal admixture present in West Africans23. An advantage of our model is that it allows for a local North African component in the ancestry of Taforalt, rather than deriving them exclusively from Levantine and Sub-Saharan sources.
 

Marshall Ted

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Paleolithic DNA from the Caucasus reveals core of West Eurasian ancestry https://doi.org/10.1101/423079
Moreover, our model predicts that West Africans (represented by Yoruba) had 12.5±1.1% ancestry from a Taforalt-related group rather than Taforalt having ancestry from an unknown Sub-Saharan African source11; this may have mediated the limited Neanderthal admixture present in West Africans23. An advantage of our model is that it allows for a local North African component in the ancestry of Taforalt, rather than deriving them exclusively from Levantine and Sub-Saharan sources.
I was talking about this paper, but now i notice its not certified by peer-review, is this a problem?
 

Ponto

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Well it could be. Peer review is the standard. I think it is because it is rebutting this:
van de Loosdrecht, M. et al. Pleistocene North African genomes link Near Eastern and sub-Saharan African human populations. Science, (2018)
Academics don't like getting into bun fights, so they will take their time over the results, methods, discussion.
 

Marshall Ted

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Well it could be. Peer review is the standard. I think it is because it is rebutting this:
van de Loosdrecht, M. et al. Pleistocene North African genomes link Near Eastern and sub-Saharan African human populations. Science, (2018)
Academics don't like getting into bun fights, so they will take their time over the results, methods, discussion.
This is happening for the past 4 years since this study was created, and probably will never be published because of this "bun fight".
 

Ponto

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Iosif Lazaridis is pretty well respected in the genetics arena. If it was bad, they would remove that bioRxiv preprint, and there are a few et al collaborators Nick Patterson, David Reich and Ron Pinhasi.
 

Marshall Ted

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Iosif Lazaridis is pretty well respected in the genetics arena. If it was bad, they would remove that bioRxiv preprint, and there are a few et al collaborators Nick Patterson, David Reich and Ron Pinhasi.
So we could still use this paper as source for discussions?
 

Ponto

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I would, it is up to others to refute the results and query the methods used, but they better be more competent than those people who wrote that paper. Let's face it, anything to do with Africa whether it is about ancient Egyptians, the Iberomaurusians or just everyday North Africans who are found not to be sub-Saharan African or that shows that sub-Saharan Africans are not indigenous to those parts of the African continent, will bring out the unhinged and Afrocentrist crowd
 

Luso

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he is not Portuguese. I've never seen an ethnic Portuguese anything close to this... Most likely Dominican mixed, or Brazilian mixed
 
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Ben Dover

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how Is such a mandible bone structure even attainable for a human being. It's more like a bunch of bricks than a bone.
 
Madeirans barely have that much excess SSA to make them indistinguishable from Mainland Portuguese. People really exaggerate that for some reason...
Idk thats just what i hearded
May he is not a full ethnic portuguese, or maybe Taforalt influence in phenotype like that player which u posted in TA? But yeah he looks hella atypical compared to the portuguese tourists which i saw here
 
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Ezio1

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You were going to hijack the thread hence I removed your post. You can ask for the classification of that kid in the off topic chat thread or create a new thread for that purpose.
KÚL the king of high jack 😆
 

Hanno

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LEEEEEL!

It seems you like trolling.
I he isn't lying
Some samples went as high as 40 percent. Many were had as much sub saharan as me about 22.5 or 25 percent.




We consistently find positive f4 values when NE2 are Natufian/Levant_N and NE1 are other populations (Z = 2.2-11.0 standard error (SE); table S6). Congruent to the outgtoup-f3 results, Natufian shows higher affinity to Taforalt than does Levant_N (Z = 2.2 SE, table S6). This indicates that the early Holocene Levantine populations, overlapping with or postdating our Taforalt individuals by up to 6,000 years (16), are most closely related to Taforalt among Near Eastern populations. Next, we tested if the Taforalt individuals have sub-Saharan African ancestry by calculating f4(Chimpanzee, Test; Natufian, Taforalt). We observe significant positive f4 values for all sub-Saharan African and significant negative values for all Eurasian populations, supporting a substantial contribution from sub-Saharan Africa (Fig. 3B). West Africans, such as Mende and Yoruba most strongly pull out the sub-Saharan African ancestry in Taforalt (Fig. 3B and figs. S15 and S16). We investigated if two first-hand proxies, Natufians and West Africans, are sufficient to explain the Taforalt gene pool or whether a more complex admixture model is required. We thus tested if Natufians could be a sufficient proxy for the Eurasian ancestry in Taforalt without explicit modeling of its African ancestry (fig. S18). This is inspired by proposed archaeological connections between the Iberomaurusian and Upper Paleolithic cultures in southern Europe, either via the Strait of Gibraltar (19) or Sicily (20). If this connection is true, both the Upper Paleolithic European and Natufian ancestries will be required to explain the Taforalt gene pool. For our admixture modeling with qpAdm (16), we chose outgroups that can distinguish sub-Saharan African, Natufian and Paleolithic European ancestries but are blind to differences between sub-Saharan African lineages (11). A two-way admixture model, comprising Natufian and a sub-Saharan African population, does not significantly deviate from our data (χ2 p ≥ 0.128) with 63.5% Natufian and 36.5% sub-Saharan African ancestry on average (table S8). Adding Paleolithic European lineages as a third source only marginally increased the model fit (χ2 p = 0.019 to 0.128; table S9). Consistently, using qpGraph (21) we find that a mixture of Natufian and Yoruba reasonably fits the Taforalt gene pool (|Z| ≤ 3.7; fig. S19 and table S10). Adding gene flow from Paleolithic Europeans does not improve the model fit and provides an ancestry contribution estimate of 0% (fig. S19). We thus find no evidence of gene flow from Paleolithic Europeans into Taforalt within the resolution of our data.

We further characterized the sub-Saharan African-related ancestry in the Taforalt individuals using f4 statistics in the form f4(Chimpanzee, African; Yoruba/Mende, Natufian). We find that Yoruba/Mende and Natufians are symmetrically related to two deeply divergent outgroups, a 2000 yBP ancient South African (“aSouthAfrica”) and Mbuti Pygmy, respectively (|Z| ≤ 1.564 SE; table S11). Since f4 statistics are linear under admixture, we expect Taforalt not to be any closer to these outgroups than Yoruba or Natufians if the two-way admixture model is correct. However, we find instead that Taforalt is significantly closer to both outgroups (“aSouthAfrica” and “Mbuti”) than any combination of Yoruba and Natufians (Z ≥ 2.728 SE; Fig. 4). A similar pattern is observed for the East African outgroups Dinka, Mota and Hadza (table S11 and fig. S20). These results can only be explained by Taforalt harboring an ancestry that contains additional affinity with South, East and Central African outgroups. None of the present-day or ancient Holocene African groups serve as a good proxy for this unknown ancestry, because adding them as the third source is still insufficient to match the model to the Taforalt gene pool (table S12 and fig. S21). However, we can exclude any branch in human genetic diversity more basal than the deepest known one represented by aSouthAfrica (4) as the source of this signal: it would result in a negative affinity to aSouthAfrica, not a positive one as we find (Fig. 4). Both an unknown archaic hominin and the recently proposed deep West African lineage (4) belong to this category and therefore cannot explain the Taforalt gene pool
 

Marshall Ted

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I he isn't lying
Some samples went as high as 40 percent. Many were had as much sub saharan as me about 22.5 or 25 percent.
I've already read this paper, but there's another paper here (by Lazaridis and Reich) saying something different, If im not mistaken, It says that is more probably modern SSA populations having Taforalt ancestry than vice-versa.
 
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