Classify her and where can she pass. Scottish + Italian

[Beowulf]

It's not about if they wanted to mix with them or not, historically the conquering force didn't necessarily respect consent, the natives of the americas didn't want to mix with Spaniards either but that didn't change the outcome - of course the Muslims rulers of Iberia weren't as ruthless on the people they conquered unlike the conquistadors but don't down play 7 centuries of shared heritage and intermingling with the Muslim world, it's giving "white supremacist" - your self-value and identity isn't determined by how purely European you are. Christiantiy itself came from the middle east. Jesus was a semite like Muhammad.

7 centuries of war

i know chrisitianity is from middle east but i'm not even christian not even my parents are and im glad that i would visit alhambra this summer with my dad i want to see that romanic arabic mix in that estructure.



the conquest of America was possible by the helps of native americans and the diseases. 500 Spaniards led by hernan cortés can't conquer what is today mexico. if the natives that helped the spaniards their conquests didn't wanted the spaniards there they could perfectly expelled them.

 

[Ezio1]

It's not about if they wanted to mix with them or not, historically the conquering force didn't necessarily respect consent, the natives of the americas didn't want to mix with Spaniards either but that didn't change the outcome - of course the Muslims rulers of Iberia weren't as ruthless on the people they conquered unlike the conquistadors but don't down play 7 centuries of shared heritage and intermingling with the Muslim world, it's giving "white supremacist" - your self-value and identity isn't determined by how purely European you are. Christiantiy itself came from the middle east. Jesus was a semite like Muhammad.

Your comparing apple to oranges here. Also you just said the only Spanish you seen are Latin American. But Latin Americans is a melting pot a big mix bag. While for Latin Americans as we can see most of us are mixed race. With some being predominantly Euro and others Amerindian and others black.

 

[Maj313]

Latin Americans are diverse. A big mix bag.

It’s true, he ain’t downplaying it. It’s just facts. We can see that in DNA results.

I have seen Andalusians in person and I shouldn’t be surprised but I was kinda surprised how they don’t look much different from other Spaniards.

Yeah but genetics isn't the only determinant of identity and cultural influence, there was over 7 centuries of cultural influence from the Muslims of North Africa - that can't be negated. I'm aware Andalusians may not look that different from other Iberians although there are people like Nadal that exist and there is definitely some over lap to my outsider eyes between Iberians and Northwest Africans, Yacine Bonou and Cesc Fabregas wouldn't stick out in each others countries. Also Galician and Basque nationalists do insist on their distinctivess from the Castilian/The Madrid state, it may not be genetically based but a cursory google search can show you how they portray themselves vs the rest of spain.

 

[Maj313]

7 centuries of war

i know chrisitianity is from middle east but i'm not even christian not even my parents are and im glad that i would visit alhambra this summer with my dad i want to see that romanic arabic mix in that estructure.



the conquest of America was possible by the helps of native americans and the diseases. 500 Spaniards led by hernan cortés can't conquer what is today mexico. if the natives that helped the spaniards their conquests didn't wanted the spaniards there they could perfectly expelled them.

They call those 7 centuries the Golden age, it was more peaceful than the conquest of the americas by europeans, if you're say the Spaniards couldn't conquer the americas without local collaborators then the same could be said about the Moorish conquest of Iberia, in fact all invasions are only successful with some native support, invaders always exploit existing fault lines Personally do you think Spain has more in common with Morocco or Norway? Be honest.

 

[Beowulf]

Yeah but genetics isn't the only determinant of identity and cultural influence, there was over 7 centuries of cultural influence from the Muslims of North Africa - that can't be negated. I'm aware Andalusians may not look that different from other Iberians although there are people like Nadal that exist and there is definitely some over lap to my outsider eyes between Iberians and Northwest Africans, Yacine Bonou and Cesc Fabregas wouldn't stick out in each others countries. Also Galician and Basque nationalists do insist on their distinctivess from the Castilian/The Madrid state, it may not be genetically based but a cursory google search can show you how they portray themselves vs the rest of spain.

They are not majority nor average

And what's exotic about Nadal? He just have a very good tan and looks med

He is from Mallorca like me

 

[Beowulf]

They call those 7 centuries the Golden age, it was more peaceful than the conquest of the americas by europeans, if you're say the Spaniards couldn't conquer the americas without local collaborators then the same could be said about the Moorish conquest of Iberia, in fact all invasions are only successful with some native support, invaders always exploit existing fault lines Personally do you think Spain has more in common with Morocco or Norway? Be honest.

Well we are a christian nation we eat Pork we had few contacts with norwegians with commercial things we speak a language derivated from latin and genetically a Iberian is closer to norwegian than a north african:

Distance to:	Spanish_Valencia
0.00637436	Spain
0.01809612	Portugal
0.02626725	France
0.03160032	Switzerland
0.04849513	Belgium
0.05315569	Italy
0.05911319	Romania
0.06093804	Bulgaria
0.06259190	Albania
0.06314251	North_Macedonia
0.06323874	Montenegro
0.06558377	Serbia
0.06611244	Austria
0.06813683	Wales
0.06869523	England
0.07059921	Holland
0.07233936	Germany
0.07343193	Croatia
0.07369448	Hungary
0.07394915	Slovenia
0.07405943	Scotland
0.07432283	Bosnia
0.07669337	Ireland
0.07714299	Moldova
0.08165067	Czech_Republic

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Distance to:	Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01130378	Spain
0.02276702	Portugal
0.02537340	France
0.02891327	Switzerland
0.04727976	Belgium
0.05031530	Italy
0.05696991	Romania
0.05845866	Bulgaria
0.05955466	Albania
0.06063327	North_Macedonia
0.06141698	Montenegro
0.06342816	Serbia
0.06452029	Austria
0.06755050	Wales
0.06791804	England
0.07023427	Holland
0.07171776	Germany
0.07250674	Croatia
0.07291565	Slovenia
0.07305091	Bosnia
0.07305144	Hungary
0.07341867	Scotland
0.07621153	Moldova
0.07624821	Ireland
0.08056953	Greece

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Distance to:	Spanish_Soria
0.02995760	Spain
0.03348404	France
0.03894094	Portugal
0.04262343	Switzerland
0.05230943	Belgium
0.06730973	Wales
0.06827863	Austria
0.06897673	England
0.06941096	Romania
0.06991775	Holland
0.07059526	Italy
0.07104431	Montenegro
0.07175916	Bulgaria
0.07332291	Scotland
0.07458834	Serbia
0.07462057	Germany
0.07466716	Ireland
0.07542185	North_Macedonia
0.07684720	Albania
0.07866372	Hungary
0.07939423	Croatia
0.07975295	Denmark
0.07994625	Slovenia
0.08057093	Norway
0.08087005	Bosnia

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Distance to:	Spanish_Pirineu
0.00889274	Spain
0.02250770	Portugal
0.02444427	France
0.03174576	Switzerland
0.04745855	Belgium
0.05617892	Italy
0.05922336	Romania
0.06103022	Bulgaria
0.06277415	Montenegro
0.06378434	North_Macedonia
0.06398097	Albania
0.06411379	Austria
0.06517726	Serbia
0.06677593	Wales
0.06757535	England
0.06968650	Holland
0.07097549	Germany
0.07230949	Croatia
0.07266629	Hungary
0.07276580	Slovenia
0.07311630	Scotland
0.07365950	Bosnia
0.07560931	Ireland
0.07670518	Moldova
0.08028426	Denmark

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Distance to:	Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.00907999	Spain
0.02106206	France
0.02162801	Portugal
0.02465708	Switzerland
0.04310925	Belgium
0.05118942	Italy
0.05452060	Romania
0.05655457	Bulgaria
0.05755554	Montenegro
0.05824718	North_Macedonia
0.05868700	Albania
0.06036463	Serbia
0.06056930	Austria
0.06355024	Wales
0.06432654	England
0.06604105	Holland
0.06741061	Germany
0.06864966	Croatia
0.06900331	Hungary
0.06919137	Slovenia
0.06929905	Bosnia
0.07001195	Scotland
0.07268610	Ireland
0.07288501	Moldova
0.07697908	Czech_Republic

Distance to:	Spanish_Andalucia
0.01032682	Portugal
0.01419394	Spain
0.03560184	France
0.03691163	Switzerland
0.04925640	Italy
0.05531767	Belgium
0.06077058	Romania
0.06100552	Albania
0.06234743	Bulgaria
0.06287996	North_Macedonia
0.06644579	Montenegro
0.06825911	Serbia
0.07311683	Austria
0.07511728	Wales
0.07556154	England
0.07689247	Holland
0.07777092	Croatia
0.07796210	Bosnia
0.07819065	Hungary
0.07827998	Germany
0.07847346	Slovenia
0.07921364	Greece
0.08015478	Moldova
0.08062671	Scotland
0.08299213	Israel

Distance to:	Spanish_Galicia
0.00989610	Portugal
0.01245497	Spain
0.03168527	France
0.03412304	Switzerland
0.05046562	Belgium
0.05190146	Italy
0.05910096	Romania
0.06131602	Bulgaria
0.06211823	Albania
0.06219617	North_Macedonia
0.06360298	Montenegro
0.06570601	Serbia
0.06861776	Austria
0.06999556	Wales
0.07066868	England
0.07193000	Holland
0.07354823	Germany
0.07391736	Croatia
0.07418442	Hungary
0.07450732	Bosnia
0.07464020	Slovenia
0.07561118	Scotland
0.07701494	Moldova
0.07816883	Ireland
0.08174994	Greece

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[Maj313]

They are not majority nor average

And what's exotic about Nadal? He just have a very good tan and looks med

View attachment 9540 He is from Mallorca like me View attachment 9541

But he could possibly pass as Berber. Like Benzema and Ramos don't look like completely different ethnicities.

Or Zidane and his Spanish wife

Fabregas and his Lebanese wife

 

[Maj313]

Well we are a christian nation we eat Pork we had few contacts with norwegians with commercial things we speak a language derivated from latin and genetically a Iberian is closer to norwegian than a north african:

Distance to:	Spanish_Valencia
0.00637436	Spain
0.01809612	Portugal
0.02626725	France
0.03160032	Switzerland
0.04849513	Belgium
0.05315569	Italy
0.05911319	Romania
0.06093804	Bulgaria
0.06259190	Albania
0.06314251	North_Macedonia
0.06323874	Montenegro
0.06558377	Serbia
0.06611244	Austria
0.06813683	Wales
0.06869523	England
0.07059921	Holland
0.07233936	Germany
0.07343193	Croatia
0.07369448	Hungary
0.07394915	Slovenia
0.07405943	Scotland
0.07432283	Bosnia
0.07669337	Ireland
0.07714299	Moldova
0.08165067	Czech_Republic

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Distance to:	Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01130378	Spain
0.02276702	Portugal
0.02537340	France
0.02891327	Switzerland
0.04727976	Belgium
0.05031530	Italy
0.05696991	Romania
0.05845866	Bulgaria
0.05955466	Albania
0.06063327	North_Macedonia
0.06141698	Montenegro
0.06342816	Serbia
0.06452029	Austria
0.06755050	Wales
0.06791804	England
0.07023427	Holland
0.07171776	Germany
0.07250674	Croatia
0.07291565	Slovenia
0.07305091	Bosnia
0.07305144	Hungary
0.07341867	Scotland
0.07621153	Moldova
0.07624821	Ireland
0.08056953	Greece

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Distance to:	Spanish_Soria
0.02995760	Spain
0.03348404	France
0.03894094	Portugal
0.04262343	Switzerland
0.05230943	Belgium
0.06730973	Wales
0.06827863	Austria
0.06897673	England
0.06941096	Romania
0.06991775	Holland
0.07059526	Italy
0.07104431	Montenegro
0.07175916	Bulgaria
0.07332291	Scotland
0.07458834	Serbia
0.07462057	Germany
0.07466716	Ireland
0.07542185	North_Macedonia
0.07684720	Albania
0.07866372	Hungary
0.07939423	Croatia
0.07975295	Denmark
0.07994625	Slovenia
0.08057093	Norway
0.08087005	Bosnia

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Distance to:	Spanish_Pirineu
0.00889274	Spain
0.02250770	Portugal
0.02444427	France
0.03174576	Switzerland
0.04745855	Belgium
0.05617892	Italy
0.05922336	Romania
0.06103022	Bulgaria
0.06277415	Montenegro
0.06378434	North_Macedonia
0.06398097	Albania
0.06411379	Austria
0.06517726	Serbia
0.06677593	Wales
0.06757535	England
0.06968650	Holland
0.07097549	Germany
0.07230949	Croatia
0.07266629	Hungary
0.07276580	Slovenia
0.07311630	Scotland
0.07365950	Bosnia
0.07560931	Ireland
0.07670518	Moldova
0.08028426	Denmark

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Distance to:	Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.00907999	Spain
0.02106206	France
0.02162801	Portugal
0.02465708	Switzerland
0.04310925	Belgium
0.05118942	Italy
0.05452060	Romania
0.05655457	Bulgaria
0.05755554	Montenegro
0.05824718	North_Macedonia
0.05868700	Albania
0.06036463	Serbia
0.06056930	Austria
0.06355024	Wales
0.06432654	England
0.06604105	Holland
0.06741061	Germany
0.06864966	Croatia
0.06900331	Hungary
0.06919137	Slovenia
0.06929905	Bosnia
0.07001195	Scotland
0.07268610	Ireland
0.07288501	Moldova
0.07697908	Czech_Republic

Distance to:	Spanish_Andalucia
0.01032682	Portugal
0.01419394	Spain
0.03560184	France
0.03691163	Switzerland
0.04925640	Italy
0.05531767	Belgium
0.06077058	Romania
0.06100552	Albania
0.06234743	Bulgaria
0.06287996	North_Macedonia
0.06644579	Montenegro
0.06825911	Serbia
0.07311683	Austria
0.07511728	Wales
0.07556154	England
0.07689247	Holland
0.07777092	Croatia
0.07796210	Bosnia
0.07819065	Hungary
0.07827998	Germany
0.07847346	Slovenia
0.07921364	Greece
0.08015478	Moldova
0.08062671	Scotland
0.08299213	Israel

Distance to:	Spanish_Galicia
0.00989610	Portugal
0.01245497	Spain
0.03168527	France
0.03412304	Switzerland
0.05046562	Belgium
0.05190146	Italy
0.05910096	Romania
0.06131602	Bulgaria
0.06211823	Albania
0.06219617	North_Macedonia
0.06360298	Montenegro
0.06570601	Serbia
0.06861776	Austria
0.06999556	Wales
0.07066868	England
0.07193000	Holland
0.07354823	Germany
0.07391736	Croatia
0.07418442	Hungary
0.07450732	Bosnia
0.07464020	Slovenia
0.07561118	Scotland
0.07701494	Moldova
0.07816883	Ireland
0.08174994	Greece

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Yeah but religion doesn't matter here especially considering both Norway and Spain aren't even religious countries anymore, otherwise South Sudan and Samoa are also Christian countries and even more religious. Even most Scandinavians would probably think Iberians have more in common with Northwest Africans than with them.

 

[Beowulf]

But he could possibly pass as Berber. Like Benzema and Ramos don't look like completely different ethnicities.

Or Zidane and his Spanish wife

Fabregas and his Lebanese wife

Zidane is a kabyle they are known for being lighter than other berbers

Moroccans can be easy to be spotted here for their look language and behaviour

Moroccan crowd:



Spanish crowd from Illora:



Andalusian crowd:


i preffer using crowds from different populations or regions that just individual images

 

[Ezio1]

Yeah but genetics isn't the only determinant of identity and cultural influence, there was over 7 centuries of cultural influence from the Muslims of North Africa - that can't be negated. I'm aware Andalusians may not look that different from other Iberians although there are people like Nadal that exist and there is definitely some over lap to my outsider eyes between Iberians and Northwest Africans, Yacine Bonou and Cesc Fabregas wouldn't stick out in each others countries. Also Galician and Basque nationalists do insist on their distinctivess from the Castilian/The Madrid state, it may not be genetically based but a cursory google search can show you how they portray themselves vs the rest of spain.

Have you ever seen North Africans in person? I have and I
Definitely see the difference between North Afeicans and native Iberians. 1. The average North African is darker than olive skinned. They are like Gypsies in skin tone range and in phenotype they overlap more And the Moroccan that don’t look SSA admix, they are olive skinned that look closer to a Sephardic Jewish Spanish or something.

 

[Ezio1]

They are not majority nor average

And what's exotic about Nadal? He just have a very good tan and looks med

View attachment 9540 He is from Mallorca like me View attachment 9541

The Serbian has the same skin tone as Nadal, and doesn’t look that exotic to be real. I mean he doesn’t look Moroccan or Gypsy.

 

[Beowulf]

View attachment 9545
The Serbian has the same skin tone as Nadal, and doesn’t look that exotic to be real. I mean he doesn’t look Moroccan or Gypsy.

They're both tanned is normal being tanned if u live in a country with mediterranean climate i wish i could tan like them too but i just sunburn i blame my british side for that

 

[Ezio1]

But he could possibly pass as Berber. Like Benzema and Ramos don't look like completely different ethnicities.

Or Zidane and his Spanish wife

Fabregas and his Lebanese wife

Benzema he could pass for Spanish with some Gypsy admixture. He could pass in Southern Europe, no doubt. Second he ain’t the typical North African. But he does look like the North Africans that are in charge of in a local store where you buy water, Coca-Cola drinks, etc. for some reason.

The North African I see working selling shirts look more like gypsys and are more “brownish”.

 

[Maj313]

They're both tanned is normal being tanned if u live in a country with mediterranean climate i wish i could tan like them too but i just sunburn i blame my british side for that View attachment 9546

Are you part British?

 

[Beowulf]

Are you part British?

yeah My Great Grandma(West Middlands, Northumberland minor norwegian) was british later im 1/16 North Italian(possibly southern too but not confirmed) 1/16 polish minor french and the rest is Iberian

I have a big family tree

My Iberian side, is Mallorcan, Basque, Andalusian, Aragonese, Galician and some southern portuguese (from my andalusian side)


edit: that's why my modern g25 results in my signature looks weird

 

[Ezio1]

Are you part British?

Watch these videos of mine. The Spaniards don’t even look that much big difference from the French, in terms of appearance and skin tone:
I recorded these: The only thing I will tell you, the French have bigger noses (Dinaric) and have more round face (alpine) types. In Spain you do find those types to but not really Alpine, not common.
Central Spain

Paris north of France

@Beowulf

 

[Beowulf]

Watch these videos of mine. The Spaniards don’t even look that much big difference from the French, in terms of appearance and skin tone:
I recorded these: The only thing I will tell you, the French have bigger noses (Dinaric) and have more round face (alpine) types. In Spain you do find those types to but not really Alpine, not common.
Central Spain

Paris north of France

@Beowulf

More likely to southern frenchs for sure you know the north they have more germanic ( there's probably some overlap ) like ancestry while the south is Gallo-roman like or basque like

i was only in southern France one time

 

[Ezio1]

More likely to southern frenchs for sure you know the north they have more germanic ( there's probably some overlap ) like ancestry while the south is Gallo-roman like or basque like

i was only in southern France one time

I pass threw southern, to get over there, and yes I saw the overlap more with native southern French people, they look more Atlanto Mediterranean with Baskid/Dinaric types, they had dark hair overall. Dark brown with some black hair.

I saw some blacks in southern France and Paris but not more like you see in the U.S. in the U.S you see more blacks in the streets of L.A etc.

France is still very white, not like how the media portray it as very black. xD

 

[Ezio1]

More likely to southern frenchs for sure you know the north they have more germanic ( there's probably some overlap ) like ancestry while the south is Gallo-roman like or basque like

i was only in southern France one time

I saw a Iberian couple in Paris a Galician with his Basque wife. We was walking together for a bit to go to torre Eiffiel

 

[Beowulf]

I pass threw southern, to get over there, and yes I saw the overlap more with native southern French people, they look more Atlanto Mediterranean with Baskid/Dinaric types, they had dark hair overall. Dark brown with some black hair.

I saw some blacks in southern France and Paris but not more like you see in the U.S. in the U.S you see more blacks in the streets of L.A etc.

France is still very white, not like how the media portray it as very black. xD

Specially Dinaric is what i saw a lot among french people i had a teacher that was literally textbook Baskid with blue eyes he really looked southern french he was full Mallorcan.