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Breonna Taylor Case

Carlito's Way

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I have mix feelings about this particular case, I however DO NOT condone killing a criminal unless its self defense. Unfortunately, Breonna was shot on accident when there was an on going shooting between her boyfriend and the police in which her boyfriend shot at the police first, so of course I support these officers defending themselves and shooting back.

She was being under investigation because they suspected she was involved in a heavy drug dealing business with her boyfriend, her boyfriend had already had a criminal background. This is why the officers had a no warrant arrest because they were ready to make an arrest and this is when the boyfriend started to fire back


The protest and riots are back in America for Breonna
 

SavannahCatGiannis

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Who against whom?

If there ever will be a revolution in the USA then it will be "the haves against the have nots". Why? because the richest folks are becoming even richer and the poorest people are still the slaves of the capital.

It is not about white against black, or black against the Hispanics. All of these are nonsense.

Not only the blacks are have nots, but also the majority of the whites are have nots.

The whole racial issue in the States in not only about the race (social position), but it is also born from the economic motives (economical position).

except there’s a large portion of the have nots who have been brainwashed into defending the haves, and race is used for that (it’s why race was invented in the first place, actually)
 

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This is an interesting perspective that I didn't think about.


Trump is almost out. I think that the US elite wants Trump out. He achieved nothing for them. He made Iran and Russia even more powerful than it was a situation under the Obama administration.

Iran is still in power to develop and produce the nukes. And still a threat for Israel. Israel is not saver after Trump, no matter what he is saying. Northern Korea is still a threat for the America allies ad American interest in general around the Chinese Sea.

Trump destroyed the US position on the international arena.

Radical left, radical right are all useless and harmless tools. They are just a tiny minority of people. None of them can cause any change. It is all lie and empty air.


Trump is out for 95%, if Trump stays than the US elite wants Trump to stay.

It depends what the elite (the capital) wants. I don't think that the elite wants a civil war, because at this moment everything is under control for them. Their positon is not threated yet by anybody. Civil wars only occur as a result of struggle of dominance and political power. It will happen only when people fight against the establishment. It is a new political movement vs. the old establishment.

It is all about the allocation of power and means of production.

You misunderstood me. Yeah sure, one group of elites doesn't want Trump, but other elites do. Trump is not a man of the people and never was. He uses racially divisive rhetoric to get power (just like the elites have done since the Bacon Rebellion, the event which lead to the invention of the so-called "white race").

Anyway, the civil war is going to be the far-right vs everyone else. The far left isn't even remotely a threat, they're just a bunch of dirty hippies, and to say they're equal to the far-right is just a ploy by the far-right (and their centre-right enablers) to trick people into thinking they are not as evil as they actually are. The far-right, however, is an existential threat. There are so few far-leftists in the US, you'll have to piss off normies enough to get to the streets and destroy the far-right, but I think the death of RBG and Mitch McConnell wanting to push a new justice on the court has pushed them to that point.

You are right on one thing: Trump has destroyed the US's position on the international stage. It's why the other English-speaking countries are considering banding together in a CANZUK union... Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the UK, no United States. As a Canadian, I agree with this, and we need to move away from the USA and diversify our trading partners, because even though Trump will be gone, the people who voted for him still exist and they can vote in another Trump, so Soviet Trumpistan aka the USA cannot be trusted as an ally anymore.

Trump will get reelected though.

And if he doesn't, well Joe Biden doesn't have the balls to do what needs to be done. So, this BS will continue.
 
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I did also hear that the US elite (deep state) was divided about which course the States should take.

I don't believe in "deep state" conspiracies.

But I think you are overestimating the far-right, radical right/KKK. Jews are just too powerful for KKK/radical right. Jews are 'using' them as much as they can, but as soon as they (radical right/KKk) ever will become a threat for the Jews, the Jews will get rid of them.

I don't believe in Jewish conspiracies, either. But the FBI does consider the radical right the biggest threat to the US, and in Canada, the radical right was deemed a national security threat years ago and some were picked up on terrorism operations (including one Canadian who was caught in the US planning an attack in Virginia). The far-right is a threat to Jews, there have been synagogue shootings plus the mainstreaming of Jewish conspiracy theories.

Trump has his own (pro-Russia, pro-Turkey) agenda and is not really listening to the deep state. Biden will do everything what he will be told to. Biden will be a real 'pupet' for the deep state (the US elite).

Maybe Trump should have listened to the civil service (what you would call the "deep state") when a deadly virus was coming.
 

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Every country has a deep state (it's called the civil service), it's just not as nefarious as the conspiracies make it out to be.... though the USA has a rather large military industrial complex, I'll give you that.

In fact, I did have COVID-19. I got tested, and treated, courtesy of the Canadian "deep state"... no worrying about payment, insurance, deductibles, or HMOs, I just had to worry about resting and drinking plenty of fluids... it was great.
 
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The Jews will just flush KKK/radical-right through the toilet.

LOL no they won’t. A lot of Jews are involved in the radical right these days. In fact, a lot of the websites that peddle fake news and propaganda to the suckers, I mean sympathizers are Jewish owned (ie Rebel, Breitbart, Daily Caller, etc).

In fact, Jews have been behind a lot of far-right propaganda since the early 2000s.

There are subsets of the far-right who are dangerous to Jews, but they are in the minority of far-right actors. I’m not afraid of Nazis they will always be fringe, it’s the other subsets if the far-right like the so-called “alt-light” and the “Intellectual Dark Web”, all of which have become mainstream, that are more dangerous and who I focus my efforts on.
 

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I know that Jews worldwide and even online trolls are involved in spreading radical right (KKK) propaganda for their own purposes. Even the US influence on radical right is stretched to the Eastern Europe and Ukraine against Russia. So at this moment radical right is getting used as a tool.

Why do you think there are so much so called wannabe 'Aryans' from the Eastern Europe? Those people are trying hard to rewrite their own history, lol. It is possible because people like the Jews or their allies are spreading fake information and propaganda online.

But at the end of the day Jews are Semites and they use radical right a much as they can as their tool, but at the very moment when they realize that radical right can’t help the Semitic Jews for their agenda against Iran or Russia any more they will flush radical right through the toilet.

Well, first off we have to differentiate between "Jews" and political movements that happen to be Jewish. There is a strong Jewish far right. There is a Jewish far right group, the JDL, which has its roots in Kahanism which has actually been banned as a terrorist organization in the US and even Israel, for a long time, but the group is very active in Canada and extremely violent. Some of the biggest funders of far-right propaganda that has a Kahanist bent live in Canada too.

Most Jews think Kahanists are nuts, though.

Just thought I'd throw that out there in before we go into sounding like we are spouting Jewish conspiracy theories territory lol
 
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Left, right, far right, far left ideologies are all over the globe. There is far right (strong nationalism) in Israel, Africa, Middle East, India, Pakistan, Japan South East Asia etc. Some have correlation with each other, and other do not. Semitic Jewish far right is different from let say the German neo-Nazi far right (radical right).

We already know the history between Jewishness and (Neo-)Nazism.

I know, I am from Canada. A lot of Canadians view multiculturalism as part of our national identity, and a byproduct of this is that our far-right is a motley crew of multiracial right-wing nut jobs who import the far-right rhetoric from the old country and mix it with the far-right rhetoric from their friends' old countries lol. The Indian guys (Hindutva) are the most violent, actually. People assume the whites because that's how it is in the US, but in Canada, it's actually Indians. Not that whites aren't trying to catch up lol.

Actually, some fascism experts think that if fascism rises in Canada, it will probably have a multicultural character. I dunno, you could see that in the aftermath of the 2016 US election and Brexit vote and all that, there was rhetoric flying around in Canada that we are better than everyone else because we have a multicultural country and can still maintain a functional democracy and get along, which is pretty fascistic if you think about it (also discounts the fact that we do have ethnic tension like every other country on Earth). Also, the far right in Canada will often pick one ethnic or religious group to scapegoat and claim that they are incapable of living in a multicultural society and single them out for violence. Now it's Muslims, before then it was Sikhs, and before then, it was Jews.

Fascism worships the state above all else, so if multiculturalism is part of the state (as it is in Canada as per our constitution), then the fascism from that state will be multicultural.

As much as I don't like fascism and never want it to rise here, it's an interesting thought experiment.

I was also in Africa last year, although I found I got along better with more right-leaning people down there, surprisingly. Might be because in Africa, people with authoritarian mindsets are more attracted to left-wing politics, while they are more attracted to the right in the West. I was in South Africa and Namibia, and both countries had elections around the time, and both countries had fringe far-left so-called "anti-establishment" candidates (I put that in quotes because the South African guy was as much an immoral, corrupt, swamp-dwelling elite as Donald Trump is, except that unlike Trump, he's an actual career politician trying to claim he isn't one lol) running that were very anti-woman, anti-immigrant, anti-gay, etc., which people with authoritarian personalities tend to be.

Basically, if you used Stephen Harper's (old Canadian PM who I hated but I concede he is smart and his book makes good points) about the rise of right-wing populism, it's because any population can be divided into two groups "somewheres" who prefer to stick with cultural traditions and stay where they grew up, and "nowheres" who are willing to move and are cosmopolitan in mindset, and over the past 30 years or so, the economy favoured the "nowheres", leading to economic growth in cosmopolitan cities while at the same time causing economic decline and depopulation of rural areas, which (rightfully) pissed off the somewheres as they saw not only their job opportunities, but access to basic services like health care, decline. The nowheres got richer and healthier while the somewheres got sicker and poorer, making them more vulnerable to demagogues. Basically, in the West, the "somewheres" tend to be right-wing, while in Africa, the "somewheres" tend to be left-wing (this is probably why cosmopolitan Cape Town always elects the right of centre Democratic Alliance in South African elections, while it's the rural salt of the earth kind of folks in Limpopo or Mpumalanga who vote for the left-wing parties). I've noticed this about people from Eastern Europe as well, it's probably a result of the "somewheres" growing up under communism, and see that as the status quo that they prefer. So, maybe Harper was wrong in specifying right-wing populism and just said "populism". Even the US has left-wing populism, ie Bernie Sanders. I think a lot of his supporters are "somewheres" too.
 
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BTW I would disagree on strong nationalism being a product of the far-right, or the right, there is left-wing nationalism too. Left-wing nationalism is big in Africa for obvious reasons, but, Canadian nationalism is left-wing too. I am a Canadian nationalist and a person of the left (well, centre-left, I am not a full on leftist), and I largely view Canadian right-wingers as traitors and cucks, since depending on what subset of the right they are on, they are either cucking for Britain or the United States.

Here's a video that explains it:

 

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I can also be considered a Kurdish 'nationalist', because I do support Kurdish independence movement and free Great Kurdistan. In general I'm pro nation states. Every nation has a right to have own state. Therefore a Kurdish nation has also a right to have a state. So I am a 'statist' and a Kurdish 'nationalist'.

Meanwhile my ideas about how national economy and politics should be managed can be left and right.

Don't forget that the terrible far (alternative) right NAZI ideology of Hitler was Nazism. Nazism = National Socialism. Nazism had also some right and left ideas at the same time.


Personally I think that both 'far right' and 'far left' are wrong. In general the extremism in politics doesn't work out well.

The Nazis only paid lip service to left-wing ideals to attracted left-leaning people to their cause, but they were right-wing through and through.

Most people are neither left nor right. And I agree, extremism in politics does not work. I think that is why the US is so gridlocked right now.

But yeah, the video I shared, is a right-leaning Canadian dude, and he does not like nationalism and explains his issues with it. He is right on some things, like Canada, most of the time, has nationalistic governments, and this does have bad byproducts: For example, Canadians pay inflated prices for various items including basic foods like meat, eggs, bread, and dairy because the government does not allow these items to be imported (this resulted in food shortages in Canada in April/May when COVID-19 broke out at one of the biggest grain facilities in the country, causing it to be shut down, and so no bread was produced, nor was animal feed so there was less meat too), and we also pay the most in the world for cell phone and Internet service. This is because non-Canadians are not allowed to set up telecommunications companies here, so as a result, we only have three providers of these services (Bell, Telus, and Rogers), and they have no incentive to lower their prices to compete for new customers. And Canadian Netflix is horrible, because laws stipulate that Netflix has to have at least 50% Canadian films (and for Netflix to even be allowed to enter the Canadian market, the government set a requirement that they had to fund Canadian film production). This is the same with music streaming services, but I dunno, I like discovering new Canadian artists that way, so I don't have a problem with it, nor do I have a problem with the PlayStation Network here because this has helped Canadian video game developers get off the ground (including some that made games you may have played) and has created a lot of well-paying jobs... the video game sector actually employs more Canadians than natural resource extraction, surprisingly (though to be fair, that shift only happened this year and COVID-19 is probably the factor, since people employed in the video game sector can work from home while someone in an oil field or mine cannot). I agree with foreigners not being allowed to run news agencies in Canada, although I admit the downside to this is that our media has become insular and talented Canadian journalists go to the US to find work (including the dude who's video I shared, he works for the Washington Post). I will admit the guy has a point, but I don't want to abandon the nationalistic project, but rather improve those shortcomings. In some ways, the Canadian nationalist project is ass backwards because while we have all this protection on milk, the Americans and Chinese own all our oil lol (well, this is because right-wingers sold out our oil fields in the 1980s, but that is a whole other discussion).

Actually our far-right party (Canadian People's Party) railed against those protections in the last election. Yes, a far-right party was anti-nationalist. And our Liberals are more nationalist than our Conservatives, but as the video pointed out, Liberals always peg the Conservatives as being unpatriotic, anti-Canadian, etc... basically the same things the Republicans accuse the Democrats of being.
 
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SavannahCatGiannis

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I have mix feelings about this particular case, I however DO NOT condone killing a criminal unless its self defense. Unfortunately, Breonna was shot on accident when there was an on going shooting between her boyfriend and the police in which her boyfriend shot at the police first, so of course I support these officers defending themselves and shooting back.

She was being under investigation because they suspected she was involved in a heavy drug dealing business with her boyfriend, her boyfriend had already had a criminal background. This is why the officers had a no warrant arrest because they were ready to make an arrest and this is when the boyfriend started to fire back


The protest and riots are back in America for Breonna

wait... I thought they went into the wrong house?

Either way she didn’t deserve to die and the cops should be held accountable. Kind of unacceptable to kill innocent people.
 

Carlito's Way

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The US is gonna have a civil war.

yup, I have been saying this for a while now, these riots are only a little glimpse of what will be happening soon in this country and what people are capable of doing
and why? because this newer generation is very different, more vocal and are capable of going against the government and what they believe in
this reminds me of this photo and the sign he is holding, that pretty much sums everything up
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