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KARABOĞA

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ama italicus kürt düşmanı mı bilmiyorum ama pek sevmediğini biliyorum geçen bi postunu görmüştüm türkiye güneydoğuyu topraklarına hiç dahil etmemeliydi falan yazmıştı

misakı milliyi bilmeyince böyle oluyor :D
 

idklolimo

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ama italicus kürt düşmanı mı bilmiyorum ama pek sevmediğini biliyorum geçen bi postunu görmüştüm türkiye güneydoğuyu topraklarına hiç dahil etmemeliydi falan yazmıştı

misakı milliyi bilmeyince böyle oluyor :D



 

idklolimo

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ama italicus kürt düşmanı mı bilmiyorum ama pek sevmediğini biliyorum geçen bi postunu görmüştüm türkiye güneydoğuyu topraklarına hiç dahil etmemeliydi falan yazmıştı

misakı milliyi bilmeyince böyle oluyor :D
O oruspu çocuğu beyaz olmayan her şeyden igreniyor, ve belki kendisinden de nefret ediyor tam beyaz olmadığı için
 

Kurdquistador

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türkler beyazsa biz kürtlerde beyaziz . period . türkler bizden biraz daha beyaz olsada ;)

eminim ki kürt dediginde yanlislikla gypsoid punjaboid aklina geliyor . ama zaten kim takiyor onu.... ne düsünürse düsünsün
 

KARABOĞA

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türkler beyazsa biz kürtlerde beyaziz . period . türkler bizden biraz daha beyaz olsada ;)

eminim ki kürt dediginde yanlislikla gypsoid punjaboid aklina geliyor . ama zaten kim takiyor onu.... ne düsünürse düsünsün
daha beyaz tabiri saçma bence beyaz ne ki bence bomboş saçma sapan bir tabir
 

KARABOĞA

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bir yunan ile bir norveçlinin aynı olup bir yunanla bir lübnanlının farklı olduğuna kimse beni inandıramaz
 

FinalFlash

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exactly . thats what i always say too .

many people use pops that eat up each other and think they know shit and try to make a point

on TA a croatian woman says that Kurds have zero Barcin N . can you believe it ? reality is that we are 35% barcin . me personally i have 40
They don't know how to model ethnicities from our region. They apply the 'one-size-fits-all' method and roll with that.
 

FinalFlash

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Saying that CHG has EHG shift already means that it has WHG shift to a degree but it seems that CHG has a direct influence from EHG and an indirect influence from WHG through EHG but EHG is more prominent nonetheless. Regardless, we are both right
CHG has cryptic steppe, certainly.
 

FinalFlash

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By steppe you probably mean EHG since the latter precedes Yamanaya/steppe.
What I mean is that it masks other components on G25, namely yamnaya. And it's a vastly overrated component in terms of percentages. Real CHG scores, using qpAdm as a template, is far less significant than they would be on G25.
 

Ben Dover

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What I mean is that it masks other components on G25, namely yamnaya.
It's the other way around. Yamnaya masks a big chunk of CHG.
And it's a vastly overrated component in terms of percentages. Real CHG scores, using qpAdm as a template, is far less significant than they would be on G25.
Considering the fact that Western Georgians only score 60% CHG tops on G25, it's arguable if CHG component is overrepresented on G25. On qpAdm however, Georgians are 10-20% Steppe and 30-40% Iran_N and barely 30% CHG? That's what masks their CHG component on qpAdm. it's mysterious either way.
 

FinalFlash

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It's the other way around. Yamnaya masks a big chunk of CHG.

Considering the fact that Western Georgians only score 60% CHG tops on G25, it's arguable if CHG component is overrepresented on G25. On qpAdm however, Georgians are 10-20% Steppe and 30-40% Iran_N and barely 30% CHG? That's what masks their CHG component on qpAdm. it's mysterious either way.

No, I'm saying if you run yamnaya and CHG together for a target population, the CHG will be overrepresented almost always at the cost of yamnaya.

This problem doesn't exist on qpAdm which is why Georgians barely get 30% CHG and very realistic amounts of yamnaya admixture.
 

Ben Dover

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No, I'm saying if you run yamnaya and CHG together for a target population, the CHG will be overrepresented almost always at the cost of yamnaya.
Sure. The same way Levant_N gets overrepresented when you run Levant_N and Anatolia_N in the same model.
This problem doesn't exist on qpAdm which is why Georgians barely get 30% CHG and very realistic amounts of yamnaya admixture.
30% direct CHG ancestry for Georgians is odd enough. but since yamnaya itself is 30-40% CHG it adds extra indirect CHG for Georgians. but again, unless we see more qpAdm models of Georgians, we can't say for sure..
 

Ben Dover

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@FinalFlash Any idea what the CHG content is for Armenians on qpAdm? on G25 when using the right references they consistently get modeled as 20%-30% CHG.
 

FinalFlash

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@FinalFlash Any idea what the CHG content is for Armenians on qpAdm? on G25 when using the right references they consistently get modeled as 20%-30% CHG.
On G25 it varies by region. Hamshentsi will get 40+%

Easterners 25-35% range

Westerners will score around 20% more or less

The southwest shifted ones even less.

On qpAdm, it's no more than 10-15% realistically. I'd say probably around 10% average at most. Funny enough, Yamnaya, ANF, and Iran N are more prominent and important to Armenians.
 
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