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a quick Neolithic - mesolithic G25 model i just made . post your results

AJMazza17

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My results are on the atypical side for my admixture, however I am 3/4 Georgian Jewish and 1/4 Georgian.
Ah nice nice a mountain jew. Since you're familiar with diaspora jewish results, I often get uzbek jew and less so georgian jews as a relatively close match on some calcs, why is that?
 

Ben Dover

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Ah nice nice a mountain jew. Since you're familiar with diaspora jewish results, I often get uzbek jew and less so georgian jews as a relatively close match on some calcs, why is that?
I am not a mountain jew. There is a difference between Georgian Jews and Mountain Jews. Mountains Jews are primarily from Azerbaijan and North Caucasus whereas Georgian Jews are primarily from Georgia. As for you getting uzbek jews/bukharan jews as a close match in oracles, that's a pretty common thing for west persians and kurds since bukharan jews get modeled similarly to kurds and west persians.
 

AJMazza17

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I am not a mountain jew. There is a difference between Georgian Jews and Mountain Jews. Mountains Jews are primarily from Azerbaijan and North Caucasus whereas Georgian Jews are primarily from Georgia. As for you getting uzbek jews/bukharan jews as a close match in oracles, that's a pretty common thing for west persians and kurds since bukharan jews get modeled similarly to kurds and west persians.
Apologies for that.

Also is it normal for an Iranian to get that much steppe but not caucasus?
 

Ben Dover

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Also is it normal for an Iranian to get that much steppe but not caucasus?
Depends on the models. The more realistic the model is, the higher the chances that a NW/Western Iranian will get such a high steppe. Also, yes, it's expected for these people to get more steppe than CHG, however, steppe already has a good chunk of CHG in it.
 

AJMazza17

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Target: AJMazza17
Distance: 3.3217% / 0.03321726
37.0 Zagros_Mountains_10KYA
29.8 Anatolia_Greece_10KYA
20.6 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya
5.4 Levant_10KYA
5.0 Caucasus_10KYA
1.0 East_Asia(north)_10KYA
0.6 Southern_Asia_10KYA
0.4 North_America_10KYA
0.2 Western_Siberia_10KYA
How come there's a difference here?
Screenshot 2023-01-29 at 12.28.19.png
 

Ben Dover

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@Mesoman Ah I see. Another thing, I seem to get around 2 to 6 percent irish scottish and welsh on a lot of calculators, how can I tell the accuracy of that?
That's not meant to be taken seriously considering the percentages. It shows your shift from the base population to the West or NW which could be because you score slightly more in NW European components than Iranian average.
 

Ben Dover

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@Mesoman And one final question, how can I best differentiate the caucasus and steppe components?
There are different kind of steppes, however the steppe references will always include "steppe" in the name. Caucasus will always be mentioned as either Caucasus or CHG/Caucasus-Hunter-Gatherer.
 

Ben Dover

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@AJMazza17 In case you are curious, this is how your modeling compares to Iranian_Tehran reference's modeling.

Target: AJMazza17
Distance: 3.3217% / 0.03321726
37.0 Zagros_Mountains_10KYA
29.8 Anatolia_Greece_10KYA
20.6 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya
5.4 Levant_10KYA
5.0 Caucasus_10KYA
1.0 East_Asia(north)_10KYA
0.6 Southern_Asia_10KYA
0.4 North_America_10KYA
0.2 Western_Siberia_10KYA

Target: Persian_Tehran
Distance: 2.4918% / 0.02491824
33.8 Zagros_Mountains_10KYA
30.8 Anatolia_Greece_10KYA
17.2 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya
9.4 Caucasus_10KYA
5.6 Levant_10KYA
1.4 East_Asia(center)_10KYA
1.4 East_Asia(north)_10KYA
0.2 North_America_10KYA
0.2 Southern_Asia_10KYA


 

Ben Dover

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And for fun, here's the distance between you and fuckeeer.

Distance to: AJMazza17
0.03459507 Fuckeeer
 
I added a native american sample bcs i am 2% - 3% Tupi & Macro Ge
Looks like EHG is a part of my ANE of Amerindian, and also Iran N is my misread CHG which iberians are scoring abt 6%, my SSA is begin eated by Ibero Maurisian but ok worked cool to me
Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 3.3505% / 0.03350538
43.6Niger-Congo
29.2Mediterranean
14.6Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
5.0Iberomaurusian
3.8Iranian_LateNeolithic_Farmer
1.6WHG
1.4BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.8East_European_HG
 

Beowulf

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Spain
i think i didn't psted my results with real G25 coords:

Target: ivorixG25
Distance: 5.3868% / 0.05386790
50.2 Mediterranean
33.4 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
7.2 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
5.2 Iberomaurusian
2.8 WHG
1.2 Arabian_Hunter-Gatherer_Simulated
 

Beowulf

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Spain
my Puntdnal k15 im modeled like this:

Belarusian + Italian + Brazilian + Sardinian @ 3.630625

on gedmatch i like eurogenes k12b and puntdnal k15 the most

g25 i posted some models for ancients and member @Mesoman uses one especially that is good . mesoman post it please

modern i dont know . i am not interested in modern calcs much
 

Dorquest

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Target: Dorquest
Distance: 7.0973% / 0.07097277
45.4Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
44.2Mediterranean
10.4Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer



Distance to:Dorquest
0.22538677Mediterranean:Anatolia_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic:cth739
0.23244008Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer::Norway_Mesolithic:Hum2
0.23660641Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer:Norway_Mesolithic:Hum1
0.23943391Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer::Norway_N_HG:Steigen
0.24141139Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer::Sweden_Motala_HG:I0013
0.24835340East_European_HG:RUS_Samara_HG
0.25771322Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer::Sweden_Motala_HG:I0011
0.25878652Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer::Sweden_Motala_HG:I0015
0.26090147Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer::Sweden_Motala_HG:I0014
0.26268593East_European_HG:RUS_Karelia_HG
0.27397454Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer:GEO_CHG
0.27540439Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer::Sweden_Motala_HG:I0012
0.31219114Iranian_LateNeolithic_Farmer:IRN_Seh_Gabi_LN
0.32390615Arabian_Hunter-Gatherer_Simulated:Credit_to_maker
0.33721384WHG:WHG
0.34296940WHG:ITA_Villabruna:Villabruna
0.34645508WHG:Rochedane
0.36934089WHG:ITA_Villabruna:England_Mesolithic:I6767
0.37403018WHG:BEL_Loschbour:I0001
0.48845860Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF010
0.56819029AASI:S_AASI_SimAv
0.60561806East_Eurasian:Oroqen
0.61405136East_Eurasian:Nivkh
0.67729776Nilo_Saharan:KEN_Kakapel_900BP:KPL003
0.76526624Niger-Congo:COG_Kindoki_230BP
 
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