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how Iran Neolithic and CHG most likely looked like
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@Domiz the only Makran Baloch comes to head right now is Abdul Malik, former Chief Minister Of Balochistan, he’s from Turbat district of Pakistani Balochistan.
i posted him before too
he is most likely a good example of how Iran N looked toodo you have pics of him where he is young ?
by the way :
Target: Makrani
Distance: 2.3445% / 0.02344494
60.6 Iran_N
14.4 Anatolia_Marmara_Mentese_N
13.4 East_European_HG
8.6 AASI
3.0 Taforalt
Target: Makrani
Distance: 2.3445% / 0.02344494
60.6 Iran_N
14.4 Anatolia_Marmara_Mentese_N
13.4 East_European_HG
8.6 AASI
3.0 Taforalt
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Not young but maybe middle agedi posted him before too
do you have pics of him where he is young ?
Next to Sardar Aslam Raisani, brother of the other guy you posted
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There’s not much information about this guy except for the fact that he’s in India and probably their asset, doing some research turns out he’s the son of Ghulam Mustafa Raisani, so just another Brahvi-speaking Raisani (Pashtun origin tribe) , his mother is a professor which in Pakistan is something the educated class does so most likely comes from s privileged background, there’s a good chance he’s related to the other Raisani brothers, only difference is that they’re pro Pakistan and he’s anti but you find this in every tribe, some brothers are with Pakistan and others against.
these 2 are also most likely a good proxy to how Iran N looked like
also remember in the OP the baloch guy with his Eurogenes K12b results (and you can compare with Iran N results i also added there) . Iran N must have been lighter than him
also remember in the OP the baloch guy with his Eurogenes K12b results (and you can compare with Iran N results i also added there) . Iran N must have been lighter than him
CHG might have looked like this Mingrelian dude maybe ?
this mingrelian man on right looks Iran N like imo . but a little more northern / western in facial features . maybe he is also a good example of CHG ? maybe CHG looked like him with a decent amount having also light eyes and lighter hair
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QpAdm inflates Iran_N a lot which is why Georgians are only 30 or even is some cases sub 30% CHG and it is ridiculous tbh
i personally think it is accurate or at least more accurate than G25
because Georgians cant be isolated like this . everybody having Iran N in decent amounts but Georgians are more than 50% CHG and west Georgians having very little Iran N ? it doesnt make any sense to me . like you have even south italians and greeks scoring more Iran N than west Georgians in G25 even though geographically Georgia is a lot closer to Iran N rich populations and also to where Iran N is from
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It does not make sense to me that Georgians are only 30% CHG and as much as 25% Iran_N and the next closest non-caucasus population in terms of CHG score being Cypriots at 17%. How does that make sense to you.. and also I think Iran_N illogically covers a lot of that caucasus_N or Caucasus farmer ancestry that Georgians are gonna have it is just that we don't have a sample for thag yet. I don't see the problem with Georgians such as Svans being isolated to that point because for centuries they were restricted to unreachable mountainous locations. Overall, it's somewhat perplexing and I don't think qpAdm is reasonable with the whole little CHG and a lot of Iran_N ordeal
Iran_N looked more or less like these . it is not possible that it was more exotic than these people . if anything Iran N was probably even lighter and more northern looking than them
but i think these are okay proxies
but i think these are okay proxies
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Iran_N looked more or less like these . it is not possible that it was more exotic than these people . if anything Iran N was probably even lighter and more northern looking than them
but i think these are okay proxies
Iran_N looked more or less like these . it is not possible that it was more exotic than these people . if anything Iran N was probably even lighter and more northern looking than them
but i think these are okay proxies
and this is what Caucasus Hunter Gatherers (CHG) likely looked like more or less :
CHG and Iran N were related people however they were not the same and were 2 different populations who went through genetic drift
CHG has some WHG shift relative to Iran N . if you want to use G25 (even though i dont think G25 is suited for this) you can model CHG as Iran N + some WHG making the fit / distance a tiny bit better . when you use EHG the fit gets a little better than with WHG
but you can also use a modern population for this in the model . you can model CHG as Iran N + Scottish or Bosnian and the fit becomes comfortably better from 18-19 (distance to Iran N ) to around 15-16
i will use the Iran N i use these days . they are a fusion of 2 Ganj Dareh individuals
Target: Georgia_Kotias.SG
Distance: 18.5823% / 0.18582319
100.0 Iran_N
Target: Georgia_Kotias.SG
Distance: 17.5283% / 0.17528317
89.4 Iran_N
10.6 WHG
Target: Georgia_Kotias.SG
Distance: 15.8175% / 0.15817495
70.4 Iran_N
29.6 Shetlandic
Target: Georgia_Kotias.SG
Distance: 15.7473% / 0.15747336
68.2 Iran_N
31.8 Bosnian
CHG was relatively "light" and a decent amount of them had light eyes too .
these Georgians (all are Georgian) would be a good proxy imo :
CHG and Iran N were related people however they were not the same and were 2 different populations who went through genetic drift
CHG has some WHG shift relative to Iran N . if you want to use G25 (even though i dont think G25 is suited for this) you can model CHG as Iran N + some WHG making the fit / distance a tiny bit better . when you use EHG the fit gets a little better than with WHG
but you can also use a modern population for this in the model . you can model CHG as Iran N + Scottish or Bosnian and the fit becomes comfortably better from 18-19 (distance to Iran N ) to around 15-16
i will use the Iran N i use these days . they are a fusion of 2 Ganj Dareh individuals
Target: Georgia_Kotias.SG
Distance: 18.5823% / 0.18582319
100.0 Iran_N
Target: Georgia_Kotias.SG
Distance: 17.5283% / 0.17528317
89.4 Iran_N
10.6 WHG
Target: Georgia_Kotias.SG
Distance: 15.8175% / 0.15817495
70.4 Iran_N
29.6 Shetlandic
Target: Georgia_Kotias.SG
Distance: 15.7473% / 0.15747336
68.2 Iran_N
31.8 Bosnian
CHG was relatively "light" and a decent amount of them had light eyes too .
these Georgians (all are Georgian) would be a good proxy imo :
2 more CHG examples
the girl with glasses i have her Gedmatch kit number . she is mingrelian and scores very high "west asian" and "caucasus" in the Eurogenes calcs and she has the highest CHG score in the puntdnal k12 ancient calc out of any kit i have run through . her score is 57.9 there and she gets modelled like this :
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.3% Kotias_Kide_KK + 37.7% Iberia_EN_I0412 @ 2.3
2 62.7% Kotias_Kide_KK + 37.3% Stuttgart_SG @ 2.53
3 61.8% Kotias_Kide_KK + 38.2% LBK_EN_I0054 @ 2.86
4 61.6% Kotias_Kide_KK + 38.4% Iceman_MN_SG @ 2.99
the woman with the black hair next to her and on the other pics seems to be her sister
the girl with glasses i have her Gedmatch kit number . she is mingrelian and scores very high "west asian" and "caucasus" in the Eurogenes calcs and she has the highest CHG score in the puntdnal k12 ancient calc out of any kit i have run through . her score is 57.9 there and she gets modelled like this :
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.3% Kotias_Kide_KK + 37.7% Iberia_EN_I0412 @ 2.3
2 62.7% Kotias_Kide_KK + 37.3% Stuttgart_SG @ 2.53
3 61.8% Kotias_Kide_KK + 38.2% LBK_EN_I0054 @ 2.86
4 61.6% Kotias_Kide_KK + 38.4% Iceman_MN_SG @ 2.99
the woman with the black hair next to her and on the other pics seems to be her sister
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Baloch guy . Iran N looked very similar to this imo
