Eurogenes K12b thread

[Kurdquistador]

Icelandic apperently

interesting how he got a lot more west european than north european

but it makes sense . the "west european" component seems to be based on the regions around the british isles while north european is more in the latvia surrounding



Western European 48.5 Pct
Siberian -
East African -
West Central Asian 2.7 Pct
South Asian 1.29 Pct
West African -
Caucasus 2.16 Pct
Finnish 9.88 Pct
Mediterranean 11.04 Pct
Southwest Asian 0.76 Pct
North European 23.67 Pct
East Asian -

 

[Ben Dover]

but it makes sense . the "west european" component seems to be based on the regions around the british isles while north european is more in the latvia surrounding

For us west asians, both of those components are interchangeable the same way caucasus and wca are interchangeable for latvians and icelandics

 

[Ben Dover]

Hittite (1750 BC). Kit number: Z020190

 

[ImHere]

quit different to the steppe in today's anatolians, like example this turk from eregli, konya. expected hittites to have a good amount of steppe, though i dont know too much about them

Population	​
Western European	9.06 Pct​
Siberian	9.25 Pct​
East African	0.98 Pct​
West Central Asian	11.11 Pct​
South Asian	1.69 Pct​
West African	-​
Caucasus	27.9 Pct​
Finnish	-​
Mediterranean	17.59 Pct​
Southwest Asian	9.23 Pct​
North European	6.74 Pct​
East Asian	6.43 Pct​

i assume some sort of euro migration towards anatolia took place before seljuks arrived, because i sort of doubt all their steppe today came from turkics

 

[Ben Dover]

I get why you expected them to have higher steppe because they were indo-european and stuff. However, it seems that they were pretty much heavily CHG influenced version of ANF

 

[Nassbean]

Here north moroccan (jbala) ; the east african/SW asian are simply our iberomaurusian component it's not proper east african/arab/levantine ancestry and the West european/mediterranean is probably our EEF + Steppe

Central moroccan :

Moroccan but idk from where :

Algerian (probably kabyle) :

Kabyle :

 

[Ben Dover]

Here north moroccan (jbala) ; the east african/SW asian are simply our iberomaurusian component it's not proper east african/arab/levantine ancestry and the West european/mediterranean is probably our EEF + Steppe

Central moroccan :

Moroccan but idk from where :

Algerian (probably kabyle) :

Kabyle :

These results speak for the diversity of Moroccans. Also, if you want to know more accurate SW Asian scores I suggest you run those kits through dodecad k12b

 

[Nassbean]

These results speak for the diversity of Moroccans. Also, if you want to know more accurate SW Asian scores I suggest you run those kits through dodecad k12b

no even on dodecad it's too high so most likely a component that got split into their categories and people forget that natufians had iberomaurusian ancestry not the opposite

 

[idklolimo]

no even on dodecad it's too high so most likely a component that got split into their categories and people forget that natufians had iberomaurusian ancestry not the opposite

There are many natufian genes in the Mediterranean and southwest Asia. Isn't natufian of north african origin?

 

[Nassbean]

There are many natufian genes in the Mediterranean and southwest Asia. Isn't natufian of north african origin?

They were originally from The Middle east but they were partially north african

 

[Ben Dover]

Modern day populations of southern and northern levant are derived from natufians + bronze age and chalcolithic migrants from caucasus and zagros. In northern levantines the caucasus and zagros contribution is usually higher

 

[Ben Dover]

no even on dodecad it's too high so most likely a component that got split into their categories and people forget that natufians had iberomaurusian ancestry not the opposite

If it's high on dodecas k12b then it means that it was high in reality..

 

[Nassbean]

If it's high on dodecas k12b then it means that it was high in reality..

Bro it's been years i'm into this i know the profile of my ethnicity. For people who don't know much about our population history gedmatch is misleading. There is shared ancestry and affinities between components in Na and the middle east so you have to be careful at how you interpret the datas.

 

[ImHere]

how old is the actual sub-saharan in berbers anyways, including coastals
is it from islamic times like egyptians or older

 

[Ben Dover]

Bro it's been years i'm into this i know the profile of my ethnicity. For people who don't know much about our population history gedmatch is misleading. There is shared ancestry and affinities between components in Na and the middle east so you have to be careful at how you interpret the datas.

It ain't misleading bruh. Unless you mean that a specific component such as a SW Asian component is shared between west asians and north africans. SW Asian component is maybe closest to basal eurasian type of ancestry..

 

[Nassbean]

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how old is the actual sub-saharan in berbers anyways, including coastals
is it from islamic times like egyptians or older

In the model you should delete barcin C, hajji firuz and masai (+ amerindian/mongol are useless)

SSA in NAs is of two types mostly : west african and dinka-like ; the former being gradually introduced since probably the bronze/iron age while dinka got gradually diluted and is today negligible but some areas of course acquired more recent west african like ancestry due to the slave trade but overall this does not concern most north africans. The ancient samples we have already have the same levels as ours. You can also consider the deep non-eurasian ancestry of Iberomaurusians as SSA-like even though it's native to north africa and unique (and might be a component related to Basal eurasian).

 

[Nassbean]

It ain't misleading bruh. Unless you mean that a specific component such as a SW Asian component is shared between west asians and north africans. SW Asian component is maybe closest to basal eurasian type of ancestry..

Of course it is if you don't have any knowledge in regards to our genetic history (maybe it's different and accurate for georgians idk) but you can't obviously interpret those datas "literally" :

what does "caucasus" means here ? Because I barely score any CHG is it my steppe component being classified as such ? What about the east african ? There is in general no east african ancestry in north-west africans today so what is it ? Natufian or IBM affinity ? :

Interestingly, when a component for East African hunter-gatherer Hadza (brown) is singled out at K=10, the model for Taforalt includes a substantial proportion of the Hadza-related component (19.3% West African and 25.7% Hadza-related; Fig. S11). In comparison, present-day North Africans have a much smaller sub-Saharan African component with no apparent link to Hadza,

https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.aar8380 (supplementary text)

and I can continue like this for each of these components.

This is my profile :

 

[Ben Dover]

Dodecad k12b cauacsus component is trash and I don't know what it's based on since there are some purebred georgian people whose kits I ran and they score less cauacsus than me there. Also, the east african component isn't natufian related anyway since natufian samples only get 7% East african anyway.

I could argue that your G25 profile can't be a subject if literal interpretation either..

 

[Nassbean]

Dodecad k12b cauacsus component is trash and I don't know what it's based on since there are some purebred georgian people whose kits I ran and they score less cauacsus than me there. Also, the east african component isn't natufian related anyway since natufian samples only get 7% East african anyway.

I could argue that your G25 profile can't be a subject if literal interpretation either..

G25 results are more accurate since it's backed up by papers meanwhile gedmatch results aren't

I can give you a simple example ; "southwest asian" reality for north-west africans :

Interestingly, the genetic influence of the Near East on Libyan and Egyptian genomes is noticeable. This pattern contrasts with that found in the Maghreb (western North Africa), where that influence is more reduced and comparable to that recorded from western Europe. The observed pattern seems to disagree with conclusions from Arauna et al. (2017), who stated that all of northern Africa is mixed with the Near East.

Human Genomic Diversity Where the Mediterranean Joins the Atlantic

Abstract. Throughout the past few years, a lively debate emerged about the timing and magnitude of the human migrations between the Iberian Peninsula and t

academic.oup.com

However, according to AMOVA analyses, no significant Middle Eastern contribution to the genetic structure of North Africans has been detected (Tables 2) suggesting a low impact of Eastern migrations into the North African gene pool. In fact, depending on the type of marker used, the impact of Middle Easterns (Eurasians/ Arabs) on North African genetics is variable and the amount of their genetic trace is usually different from one population to another (Amir et al. 2015; Cherni et al. 2016; Elkamel et al.2017).

Investigation of the genetic structure of Kabyle and Chaouia Algerian populations through the polymorphism of Alu insertion markers

Background: In Algeria, as in all North Africa, Berbers constitute the old background of the population. Today, Berber speakers account for only ∼ 25% of Algerians. This decline is the product of a...

www.tandfonline.com

 

[Ben Dover]

Anatolian Hunter-Gatherer (13,642-13,073 BC) kit number: DY9790520