Chevalier de Balibari
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Kurds have Iran Chalcolithic genes but they also have BA/IA Persian genes.Northwest Iranians are also a similar situation.They contain both Iran C genes and also Persian steppish autosomal.
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so which components are they ? Iran N + Steppe right ?
Chevalier de Balibari
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The steppe DNA played a major role to the formation of the whole Iranian people.indo-aryans come from andronovo-sintasta witch btw they carried also BMAC(Bactria margiana genes).They settled in modern Iran and they mixed with the native people there.Northwest Iranians influenced by these people.And thats why even modern Kurds have steppe DNA.
if Iran N and Steppe = "Iranic genes"
then all northern west asia and even some south/southeast europeans = Iranic
the only difference is that we Iranic speakers of west asia have more Iran N and Steppe than most of our neighbors . but they score it too .
then all northern west asia and even some south/southeast europeans = Iranic
the only difference is that we Iranic speakers of west asia have more Iran N and Steppe than most of our neighbors . but they score it too .
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Medes,Persians etc come from steppe devired cultures like Andronovo and Sintasta.They were genetically like Corded people but on their way,they have assilimated people from BMAC and Yaz.
Yaz culture - Wikipedia
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Indo-Iranians - Wikipedia
the BMAC were mostly Iran N + CHG + some north euro stuff in some
those components are all native to west asia except the north euro . the bmac went from west asia there
those components are all native to west asia except the north euro . the bmac went from west asia there
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Kurds are more native in people thats true,i am always saying it but you cannot deny your Persian origins as well.
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BMAC-YAZ cultures assilimated pretty much to the upcoming Indo-Aryan populations.When they arrived in Iran and India they brought similar genes as well.Thats how proto iranians and proto aryans were have been pretty much.
we have communication problems . well it is hard to explain things over the internet
I will try to explain :
you are saying that "Iranic genes " = the central asian iranics who mixed with the native people of anatolia etc. to create us
but the thing is that the BMAC are themselves mostly Iran N + CHG and some north european stuff . so it is mostly west asian by itself
thats what I am saying
and we kurds and other iranic speakers nearby have more Iran N and more Steppe than most of our neighbors thats why we cluster closest together as "Iranics" . but our neighboring non iranic speaking people also have Iran N etc. ....even cypriots
and we are far from "iranics" like pashtuns , balochs etc. and way closer to many european groups even than to them . thats why I am saying that the belief that there is a unified "Iranic people" is false
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I think there are numerous posts in anthrogenica about Iranian genetics,so lets stop it here.I think we both agree that Kurds are between the native people of zagros mountains(similar to Iran chalcolithic) but they also received something from the eastnorth.Still Iran N+CHG with additional Steppe.We dont know how much Steppe proto-iranians carried when they arrived in Iran.We need samples for it.
look how this BMAC sample for example gets modelled :
| Target: UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA Distance: 2.2007% / 0.02200714 | |
|---|---|
| 64.0 | Iran_Neolithic |
| 13.0 | Steppe |
| 12.0 | Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer_(Kotias) |
| 9.0 | Anatolia_Neolithic |
| 1.8 | AASI |
| 0.2 | Native_American |
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LOL.Kurds steppe is definitely not connected with scythians and cimmerians.Otherwise you would score east asian/siberian since these tribes have such an admixture.Your steppe is similar to Andronovo-Sintasta related indoaryan people.I think Alaska will agree here with me.
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I know.Such an admixture influenced people from northwest iran my friend but ofc the south asian is zero among Kurds.
| Target: Alaska Distance: 3.9481% / 0.03948079 | |
|---|---|
| 57.4 | Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA |
| 42.6 | UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA |
Chevalier de Balibari
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You need more refrences,your distance-fit is bad.
well it was just to roughly show that we are those "Iranics" you are talking about (who are basically mostly northern west asian themselves as I showed = + native Anatolian etc.
here a good bronze age modelling for me :
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Why do you score russ devils gate?Do you have a recent turkic ancestry?
not that I know of . but I wouldnt rule out some distant anatolian turkish admix