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hmmm
but we are closer to lebanon than to russia , spain etc.
you know that right ?
i have the feeling as if you are trying to say that we are more "northern" than southern europeans . which would be utter nonsense of course lol
but we are closer to lebanon than to russia , spain etc.
you know that right ?
i have the feeling as if you are trying to say that we are more "northern" than southern europeans . which would be utter nonsense of course lol
what i mean was that we are not more like northern europeans than southern europeans are . southern europeans are 100000 times closer to northern europeans than we are
but at the same time we have a lot more basal than any european which makes us more southern than euros again
your family look very similar to georgians
Iran N is from west iran
why do you draw it so far east
why do you draw it so far east
Nassbean
Well-known member
Of course, I wrote in my OP that there was an intermixing between North and South Europeans for the last 3000 years. This is how they are 'grown' to each other and now closely related to each other. And there was not such a thing between Northern Europeans and Northern West Asians.
But 'Northern West Asians' are actually more 'northern' than the most Europeans. It is because CHG and Iran_ChL had a lot ANE in it. ANE was also part of the 'archaic' people in the North..
How could levantine have more ANE ancestry if coastal NAs have more steppe admixture than them ? Something is wrong here (imo it has to do with their set of samples, they probably took some mozabites or moroccan chleuh and concluded low ANE admixture in NA).
Maybe this map is more accurate.
iran N is west iran .
MINARDOWICZ
Member
LOL it is great that S Italians, Sicilians, Maltese, and Ashkenazim plot together. Don't tell some Italians, that. On a serious note, this is the best W Eurasian PCA I've seen. I am working on one of my own, using K15 from Eurogenes. I will post it when it is more filled out.
The real Northern West Asian people!
"Northern West Asian" Caucasian folk costumes. Abazin, Abkhaz, Avar, Agul, Adyge, Azerbaijani 2x, Georgian 2x, Dargin, Ingush, Kabardian, Karachay, Armenian, Lezgin, Ossetian, Circassian, Chechen, Kumyk, Kurd, Balkar
who made this ?
and why are we kurds on it even though it is mostly caucasus folk on the pics
MINARDOWICZ
Member
Sort of. Something that an amateur can beat this PCA in is specific sub-populations. They have samples of S Italy, but no regions, except for Sicily. I have samples for specific regions. There are notable differences. The same with Greek Islands. I'd love to see that level of depth and also larger samples than this. However... This is still the best overall.
dont take plotting maps too literally / serious
MINARDOWICZ
Member
Because of superficial shifting? If you use both composition and PCA, it tells a lot. Are you one of those DNA deniers now? Makes sense. 😅😅 PCAs with good vectors are very reliable. If I look at my DNA composition... I plot between everything that makes up my ancestry. Are you just mad about where you plot?
what are you talking about . why should i be mad where i plot
As you can see clearly on this academic PCA analysis map, Central Asian and SouthCentral Asia people such as Afghans who plot actually between 'Central Asia' and 'Indus Basin' are not part of the Western Eurasian people (Europe, M/N East, Caucasus). They are really their own thing.
SouthCentral Asian people from Afghanistan etc. clearly do not belong in a 'Northern West Asian'/Caucasus cluster. Definitely not Caucasian/'Northern West Asian' people.
Only Hurrians/Caucasians and (North) Western Iranics are clearly pure native 'Northern West Asians'.
All Semites (Arabs, Jews, Levantines, Assyrians etc.) are part of the 'Southern West Asian' cluster. While Afghans plot somewhere between 'Central Asia' and 'Indus Basin' cluster.
“the distance between individuals and populations is meaningless and is an artifact of the cohort rather than an informative biological or demographic quantity”
“We thereby demonstrated that PCA results (Figure 17-19), evaluated through clusters or distances between individuals, do not provide meaningful biological or historical information, nor can they be used to support such claims.”
Why most Principal Component Analyses (PCA) in population genetic studies are wrong
Principal Component Analysis (PCA) is a multivariate analysis that allows reduction of the complexity of datasets while preserving data’s covariance and visualizing the information on colorful scatterplots, ideally with only a minimal loss of information. PCA applications are extensively used as...
www.biorxiv.org
^ looks like you should do a little bit of reading and educate yourself