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Odelia = shelati from TA . or one of shelatis relatives / friends etc.

Kurdquistador

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zoro says :

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Well to be fair I consider some Punjabis and Sindhis genetically an extension of the Iranic continuum, and yes many Pashtuns, Afghan Yajiks and Kurds can pass amongst them and visa versa but to say there’s little resemblance between Pashtuns and Kurds especially with so much phenotype variation amongst both since they’re at crossroads is plain wrong. That’s why i posted the photos.

More importantly it should be obvious to everyone that Kurds are not originally from Syria, Iraq or Turkey because they cluster with people further east from Mazendaran and Azerbaijan plus their Zoroasterian background and Iranic religion"


....i am speechless
 
Ben Dover

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skidrow said:
zoro says :

"
Well to be fair I consider some Punjabis and Sindhis genetically an extension of the Iranic continuum, and yes many Pashtuns, Afghan Yajiks and Kurds can pass amongst them and visa versa but to say there’s little resemblance between Pashtuns and Kurds especially with so much phenotype variation amongst both since they’re at crossroads is plain wrong. That’s why i posted the photos.

More importantly it should be obvious to everyone that Kurds are not originally from Syria, Iraq or Turkey because they cluster with people further east from Mazendaran and Azerbaijan plus their Zoroasterian background and Iranic religion"


....i am speechless
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Besides his claims about the phenotypes what left you speechless
 
Kurdquistador

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that some punjabis and sindhis are "iranic" according to him

that kurds can pass as punjabi and sindhi . lol

that we are not native to our lands

i wish i could meet him in real life and beat him up :(
 
Ben Dover

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skidrow said:
that some punjabis and sindhis are "iranic" according to him

that kurds can pass as punjabi and sindhi . lol

that we are not native to our lands

i wish i could meet him in real life and beat him up :(
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Yeah I wish the same thing about some people
 
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"because they cluster with people further east from Mazendaran and Azerbaijan"

Isnt this to some extent true? Apart from few persians in eastern Iraq, they seem to be somewhat little closer to the persians and azeris of Azerbayjan and Mazandaran(not the ones with more Iran N admix)
 
Kurdquistador

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ImHere said:
"because they cluster with people further east from Mazendaran and Azerbaijan"

Isnt this to some extent true? Apart from few persians in eastern Iraq, they seem to be somewhat little closer to the persians and azeris of Azerbayjan and Mazandaran(not the ones with more Iran N admix)
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1. this doesnt mean that we are not native to our lands

2. we are closer to eastern turks , georgian jews , udis than to mazandaranis : . equidistant to north caucasus jews and mazandaranis . and only a little closer to mazandaranis than to southern georgians

Distance to:Kurdish
0.01572802Dersim
0.01591360Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.01628422Ezid
0.01857581Iranian_Lor
0.02041861Syrian_Kurd
0.02295316Iranian_Persian_North
0.02373310Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.02425308Iranian_Persian_Central
0.02435940Bukharian_Jew
0.02801516Iranian_Fars
0.02802702Turkish_East
0.02926226Iranian_Persian_South
0.03013346Udi
0.03271482Azerbaijani
0.03395416Iranian_Persian_Shiraz
0.03723580Azerbaijani_Turkey
0.03813843Assyrian
0.03923286Georgian_Jew
0.03955614Iranian_Mazandarani
0.03985495Mountain_Jew
0.03985504Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.04157439Iranian_Azeri
0.04160754Georgian_Meskheti
0.04428048Armenian
0.04482742Iranian_Jew
0.04553614Turkish_Adana
0.04594017Turkish_Kayseri
0.04630891Armenian_Erzurum
0.04873182Georgian_Kakheti
0.05199588Georgian_Kartli
0.05376121Armenian_Hemsheni
0.05451862Kurdish_Jew
0.05505227Ahiska
0.05526804Turkish_Central
0.05657971Turkish_Trabzon
0.05724045Georgian_Khevsur
0.05862152Greek_Trabzon
0.05899825Georgian_Tusheti
0.06047110Iranian_Arab_Khuzestan
0.06095974Georgian_Laz
0.06144463Iraqi_Jew
0.06156988Iraqi
0.06235891Syrian_West
0.06441403Kumyk
0.06542715Greek_Cappadocia
0.06655189Georgian_Adjar
0.06838591Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.06903285Iranian_Persian_East
0.06906921Lebanese_Muslim
0.06933162Lebanese_Druze
0.06998141Druze
0.07037778Ingushian
0.07099823Abkhasian
0.07184617Adygei
0.07226478Turkish_North
0.07254738Georgian_Imereti
0.07315666Chechen
0.07394896Ossetian
0.07441554Karachay
0.07490000Kabardin
0.07513870Circassian
0.07622589Syrian_Jew
0.07646922Turkish_South
0.07665704North_Ossetian
0.07677260Parsi_Pakistan
0.07707138Cherkes
0.07753786Karaite_Egypt
0.07791728Georgian_Megrelia
0.07796218Balkar
0.07833074Tabasaran
0.07947952Iraqi_Arab
0.07957288Parsi_India
0.07995535Abazin
0.07999175Turkish_Southwest
0.08131082Cypriot
0.08179056Georgian_Svan
0.08196818Lebanese_Christian
0.08237978Iranian_Bandari
0.08546540Greek_Dodecanese
0.08559416Avar
0.08575630Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.08580148Greek_Kos
0.08580854Sephardic_Jew_o
0.08590428Syrian_East
0.08632584Lak
0.08651602Turkish_Northwest
0.08830787Kaitag
0.08939932Greek_Crete
0.09065610Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.09105634Kubachinian
0.09109419Tajik_Yagnobi
0.09159055Jordanian
0.09296648Romaniote_Jew
0.09315957Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.09377187Ashkenazi_Russia
0.09477838Ashkenazi_Poland
0.09575390Ashkenazi_Germany
0.09581737Sephardic_Jew
0.09589703Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.09605429Darginian

mind you ...the kurdish sample / average is not even from turkish kurdistan only

3. distances / lists dont tell the whole story about an ethnicity . there are often subtle minor yet significant differences among ethnicities even if they are close in a list . (remember eurogenes k12b some persians scoring a lot of south asian etc.)

4. zoro talks so much bullshit . stop trying to sugarcoat him wtf
 
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Ben Dover

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skidrow said:
1. this doesnt mean that we are not native to our lands

2. we are closer to eastern turks , georgian jews , udis than to mazandaranis : . equidistant to north caucasus jews and mazandaranis . and only a little closer to mazandaranis than to southern georgians

Distance to:Kurdish
0.01572802Dersim
0.01591360Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.01628422Ezid
0.01857581Iranian_Lor
0.02041861Syrian_Kurd
0.02295316Iranian_Persian_North
0.02373310Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.02425308Iranian_Persian_Central
0.02435940Bukharian_Jew
0.02801516Iranian_Fars
0.02802702Turkish_East
0.02926226Iranian_Persian_South
0.03013346Udi
0.03271482Azerbaijani
0.03395416Iranian_Persian_Shiraz
0.03723580Azerbaijani_Turkey
0.03813843Assyrian
0.03923286Georgian_Jew
0.03955614Iranian_Mazandarani
0.03985495Mountain_Jew
0.03985504Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.04157439Iranian_Azeri
0.04160754Georgian_Meskheti
0.04428048Armenian
0.04482742Iranian_Jew
0.04553614Turkish_Adana
0.04594017Turkish_Kayseri
0.04630891Armenian_Erzurum
0.04873182Georgian_Kakheti
0.05199588Georgian_Kartli
0.05376121Armenian_Hemsheni
0.05451862Kurdish_Jew
0.05505227Ahiska
0.05526804Turkish_Central
0.05657971Turkish_Trabzon
0.05724045Georgian_Khevsur
0.05862152Greek_Trabzon
0.05899825Georgian_Tusheti
0.06047110Iranian_Arab_Khuzestan
0.06095974Georgian_Laz
0.06144463Iraqi_Jew
0.06156988Iraqi
0.06235891Syrian_West
0.06441403Kumyk
0.06542715Greek_Cappadocia
0.06655189Georgian_Adjar
0.06838591Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.06903285Iranian_Persian_East
0.06906921Lebanese_Muslim
0.06933162Lebanese_Druze
0.06998141Druze
0.07037778Ingushian
0.07099823Abkhasian
0.07184617Adygei
0.07226478Turkish_North
0.07254738Georgian_Imereti
0.07315666Chechen
0.07394896Ossetian
0.07441554Karachay
0.07490000Kabardin
0.07513870Circassian
0.07622589Syrian_Jew
0.07646922Turkish_South
0.07665704North_Ossetian
0.07677260Parsi_Pakistan
0.07707138Cherkes
0.07753786Karaite_Egypt
0.07791728Georgian_Megrelia
0.07796218Balkar
0.07833074Tabasaran
0.07947952Iraqi_Arab
0.07957288Parsi_India
0.07995535Abazin
0.07999175Turkish_Southwest
0.08131082Cypriot
0.08179056Georgian_Svan
0.08196818Lebanese_Christian
0.08237978Iranian_Bandari
0.08546540Greek_Dodecanese
0.08559416Avar
0.08575630Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.08580148Greek_Kos
0.08580854Sephardic_Jew_o
0.08590428Syrian_East
0.08632584Lak
0.08651602Turkish_Northwest
0.08830787Kaitag
0.08939932Greek_Crete
0.09065610Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.09105634Kubachinian
0.09109419Tajik_Yagnobi
0.09159055Jordanian
0.09296648Romaniote_Jew
0.09315957Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.09377187Ashkenazi_Russia
0.09477838Ashkenazi_Poland
0.09575390Ashkenazi_Germany
0.09581737Sephardic_Jew
0.09589703Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.09605429Darginian

mind you ...the kurdish sample / average is not even from turkish kurdistan only

3. distances / lists dont tell the whole story about an ethnicity . there are often subtle minor yet significant differences among ethnicities even if they are close in a list . (remember eurogenes k12b some persians scoring a lot of south asian etc.)

4. zoro talks so much bullshit . stop trying to sugarcoat him wtf
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This plot would look different if you used updated coordinates for georgian jews and assyrians
 
Kurdquistador

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ok . still ...

man i am sick of this nonsense

just say the obvious that zoro sucks instead of nitpicking my posts ....
 
I

ImHere

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skidrow said:
1. this doesnt mean that we are not native to our lands

2. we are closer to eastern turks , georgian jews , udis than to mazandaranis : . equidistant to north caucasus jews and mazandaranis . and only a little closer to mazandaranis than to southern georgians

Distance to:Kurdish
0.01572802Dersim
0.01591360Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.01628422Ezid
0.01857581Iranian_Lor
0.02041861Syrian_Kurd
0.02295316Iranian_Persian_North
0.02373310Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.02425308Iranian_Persian_Central
0.02435940Bukharian_Jew
0.02801516Iranian_Fars
0.02802702Turkish_East
0.02926226Iranian_Persian_South
0.03013346Udi
0.03271482Azerbaijani
0.03395416Iranian_Persian_Shiraz
0.03723580Azerbaijani_Turkey
0.03813843Assyrian
0.03923286Georgian_Jew
0.03955614Iranian_Mazandarani
0.03985495Mountain_Jew
0.03985504Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.04157439Iranian_Azeri
0.04160754Georgian_Meskheti
0.04428048Armenian
0.04482742Iranian_Jew
0.04553614Turkish_Adana
0.04594017Turkish_Kayseri
0.04630891Armenian_Erzurum
0.04873182Georgian_Kakheti
0.05199588Georgian_Kartli
0.05376121Armenian_Hemsheni
0.05451862Kurdish_Jew
0.05505227Ahiska
0.05526804Turkish_Central
0.05657971Turkish_Trabzon
0.05724045Georgian_Khevsur
0.05862152Greek_Trabzon
0.05899825Georgian_Tusheti
0.06047110Iranian_Arab_Khuzestan
0.06095974Georgian_Laz
0.06144463Iraqi_Jew
0.06156988Iraqi
0.06235891Syrian_West
0.06441403Kumyk
0.06542715Greek_Cappadocia
0.06655189Georgian_Adjar
0.06838591Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.06903285Iranian_Persian_East
0.06906921Lebanese_Muslim
0.06933162Lebanese_Druze
0.06998141Druze
0.07037778Ingushian
0.07099823Abkhasian
0.07184617Adygei
0.07226478Turkish_North
0.07254738Georgian_Imereti
0.07315666Chechen
0.07394896Ossetian
0.07441554Karachay
0.07490000Kabardin
0.07513870Circassian
0.07622589Syrian_Jew
0.07646922Turkish_South
0.07665704North_Ossetian
0.07677260Parsi_Pakistan
0.07707138Cherkes
0.07753786Karaite_Egypt
0.07791728Georgian_Megrelia
0.07796218Balkar
0.07833074Tabasaran
0.07947952Iraqi_Arab
0.07957288Parsi_India
0.07995535Abazin
0.07999175Turkish_Southwest
0.08131082Cypriot
0.08179056Georgian_Svan
0.08196818Lebanese_Christian
0.08237978Iranian_Bandari
0.08546540Greek_Dodecanese
0.08559416Avar
0.08575630Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.08580148Greek_Kos
0.08580854Sephardic_Jew_o
0.08590428Syrian_East
0.08632584Lak
0.08651602Turkish_Northwest
0.08830787Kaitag
0.08939932Greek_Crete
0.09065610Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.09105634Kubachinian
0.09109419Tajik_Yagnobi
0.09159055Jordanian
0.09296648Romaniote_Jew
0.09315957Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.09377187Ashkenazi_Russia
0.09477838Ashkenazi_Poland
0.09575390Ashkenazi_Germany
0.09581737Sephardic_Jew
0.09589703Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.09605429Darginian

mind you ...the kurdish sample / average is not even from turkish kurdistan only

3. distances / lists dont tell the whole story about an ethnicity . there are often subtle minor yet significant differences among ethnicities even if they are close in a list . (remember eurogenes k12b some persians scoring a lot of south asian etc.)

4. zoro talks so much bullshit . stop trying to sugarcoat him wtf
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I just said im not talking about the mazandaranis with extra Iran N admix. Not all mazandaranis get it high(though those are likely from westernmost parts of Iran of Mazandaran or migrants from western part of Iran, so i guess they dont count?)

Also, i didnt say i agreed with him about kurds being native or not, otherwise i would include the part where he said that.
Also, apart from the jews(who seem largely mesopotamian), the eastern turk reference just seems to be kurdish alike(though i assume non-kurds of Turkey can score just like kurds, without any kurdish heritage? Idk). Armenians and even assyrians is more distant to the kurdish references than the east-turk is.

I dont agree with zoro on many things(since theyre BS), but sometimes he's right about some certain things(not all related to kurd stuff)
 
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skidrow said:
zoro says that we come from central asia btw. . i have seen him saying that :D
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Isnt that somewhat true too? Of course most of the ancestry in kurds isnt from central asia, but you guys are aryan/of indo-iranian spectrum for some reason
 
I

ImHere

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skidrow said:
wtf....

muh indo iranian . i give up ....
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Bruh, youre literally not indo-iranian/aryan for no reason.

You have steppe ancestors from central asia, who migrated to middleeast and mingled with locals, which would birth kurds/other aryans of the area.
 
Kurdquistador

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those steppe people were a EHG - IranN / CHG mix people . so calling it "central asian" even if they came from there to anatolia and west iran / north iraq etc. is misleading a bit

and zoro claims we have TURKIC ancestry and a lot of mongoloid and that we are like punjabis and sindhis

wtf is going on here . fuck you all to be honest .....
 
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