A question to IberoTarasco

[Altaic Warrior]

have you ever been to Europe or not

 

[Altaic Warrior]

@IberoTarasco

 

[Ponto]

I have. It's a long trip from Australia. I have been in most of Europe, not Albania. France is a killer, everyone speaks to me in French, I don't speak French. Personally I really like the northern countries in winter. By the way, Malta is part of the E.U.
Why do you ask?

 

[Ben Dover]

By the way, Malta is part of the E.U.

Maltese is the only Semitic language spoken in the EU.

 

[Ponto]

And the only one written in the Latin Script. It doesn't matter about the language as Maltese people speak English, you can live in Malta your whole life and never learn one word of Maltese.

 

[Ben Dover]

And the only one written in the Latin Script. It doesn't matter about the language as Maltese people speak English, you can live in Malta your whole life and never learn one word of Maltese.

I have been to Malta. Many people were unable to speak English proficiently but I do know for a fact that Maltese has a lot of English words borrowed in its vocabulary. Which makes it even weirder. But it doesn't matter if the script is Latin. The language is Semitic in syntax and morphology and 1/3 of vocabulary is Arabic. It's not a competition between Malta and Maltese being Latin or Semitic. It's already clear that it's more Semitic shifted overall. The fact that it seems to bother you a little bit is another topic.

 

[Ponto]

I have been to Malta. Many people were unable to speak English proficiently but I do know for a fact that Maltese has a lot of English words borrowed in its vocabulary. Which makes it even weirder. But it doesn't matter if the script is Latin. The language is Semitic in syntax and morphology and 1/3 of vocabulary is Arabic. It's not a competition between Malta and Maltese being Latin or Semitic. It's already clear that it's more Semitic shifted overall. The fact that it seems to bother you a little bit is another topic.

Maybe they didn't want to speak with you, and there are heaps of guest workers there. I don't care that the language is Semitic or not, it is the language of my mother. I would speak it if I could, but I just can't remember the words. It isn't really Arabic aka Quranic Arabic or MSA both of which are unintelligible goobledegook. A study by Czech linguists on the mutual intelligibility of Maltese to Tunisian and Libyan found the Maltese can understand 30% of those Neo Arabic languages, but the Tunisians and Libyans did better with Maltese, 40%. I don't understand Tunisian nor Libyan Neo Arabic.

 

[Ben Dover]

Maybe they didn't want to speak with you, and there are heaps of guest workers there.

They didn't want to speak with 11 year old boy? That's when I visited Malta. And the spoke to adults too. That's how I know the way they spoke.

I don't care that the language is Semitic or not, it is the language of my mother.

It doesn't matter if you care or not. It's a semitic language. And it being the language of your mother and ancestors should make you proud of your semitic heritage.

It isn't really Arabic aka Quranic Arabic or MSA both of which are unintelligible goobledegook. A study by Czech linguists on the mutual intelligibility of Maltese to Tunisian and Libyan found the Maltese can understand 30% of those Neo Arabic languages, but the Tunisians and Libyans did better with Maltese, 40%. I don't understand Tunisian nor Libyan Neo Arabic.

 

[Ponto]

That guy is a fuckwit. I have blocked his Youtube channel. The trouble with linguists is that they are the bottom feeders of academia, pseudo intellectual shitbags, and quite stupid, simpletons.
I am only slighly concerned that I have highjacked this thread with irrelevant talk about language families and Wog fuckwits.

 

[idklolimo]

maltese are not semitic, even if their language is semitic still european people

lol

 

[idklolimo]

Assyrians and Armenians are not Semitic people either. language is not race

There is no such thing as a semitic race or an iranic race. these are just linguistic distinctions

 

[Ponto]

I will tell you the origin of the word Wog. It all started during WWl when the Brits were stationed in Egypt. That is where the word started to refer to Egyptians, and Arabs.
It doesn't matter what foreigners think about Maltese people or their quaint language.

 

[Ben Dover]

Let's take this to the off topic chat thread. But do post some pcas where maltese plot closest to jews.

 

[Ben Dover]

Assyrians and Armenians are not Semitic people either. language is not race

Armenians don't even speak a semitic language.

There is no such thing as a semitic race or an iranic race. these are just linguistic distinctions

It is an identity which semitic speaking groups share. And it's more than just a language family. There a few genes shared between such people.

 

[Ponto]

Let's take this to the off topic chat thread. But do post some pcas where maltese plot closest to jews.

You don't understand the PCA plot. Europeanized Jews plot there because they are the result of Levantine men mating with Central Italian women, just as a half Japanese and half Engish person would plot with Kazakhs and Kirghiz. It doesn't mean the English/Japanese person is actually close to Kirghiz or Kazakh. Ashkenazi Jews have no attachments to the ethnic groups they plot near in the PCA just with other Europeanized Jews like Sephardi Jews. Those PCAs don't work for mixed bloods like Canary Islanders, Dominicans, Afro-Americans, Gypsies, Cape Coloreds and European Jews.

 

[Ben Dover]

You don't understand the PCA plot. Europeanized Jews plot there because they are the result of Levantine men mating with Central Italian women, just as a half Japanese and half Engish person would plot with Kazakhs and Kirghiz. It doesn't mean the Engish/Japanese person is actually close to Kirghiz or Kazakh.

Buddy.. i understand PCA plots. There has been a long lasting speculation that ashkenazi jews are a result of iron age southern levantine men mixing with north italian females but the evidence for that is lacking. Ashkenazis seem to derive more of their ancestry from aegean islanders instead of that time. I am obviously exaggerating the "semiticness" of jews and maltese but it's still quite undeniable that autosomal dna wise maltese are almost identical to Ashkenazi amd even sephardic jews. But maltese language has semitic roots and maltese people in autosomal dna are almost identical to people who have a decent chunk of semitic/Southwest Asian ancestry and the same people also identify themselves as semitic but judaism also plays a huge role in forming their sense of identity as well.

Ashkenazi Jews have no attachments to the ethnic groups they plot near in the PCA just with other Europeanized Jews like Sephardi Jews.

I already briefly covered this.

Those PCAs don't work for mixed bloods like Canary Islanders, Dominicans, Afro-Americans, Gypsies, Cape Coloreds and European Jews.

"Those PCAs don't work for mixed bloods". It is easy to manipulate the pca plots. But if european jews are mixed then who are you to say that maltese aren't when the two are near identical autosomal dna wise.

 

[Ponto]

We're not buddies. Well Maltese people cluster exactly where they are located as most Europeans do. Sardinians, Basque, Saami, Tatars, Gypsies, Gagauz and Finns don't. Now where are the Yehudis located? Floating in the Mediterranean Sea somewhere between Southern Italy and the Aegean Sea. Now that is because of their recent mixed origins. Jews are basically like Gypsies in that they are South Asians mixed with Europeans, and the Jews are Levantines mixed with Central Italians. As I have said, a half Japanese half English person would look genetically look like Kirghiz and Kazakhs, but it isn't.

 

[Ben Dover]

We're not buddies. Well Maltese people cluster exactly where they are located as most Europeans do. Sardinians, Basque, Saami, Tatars, Gypsies, Gagauz and Finns don't. Now where are the Yehudis located? Floating in the Mediterranean Sea somewhere between Southern Italy and the Aegean Sea. Now that is because of their recent mixed origins. Jews are basically like Gypsies in that they are South Asians mixed with Europeans, and the Jews are Levantines mixed with Central Italians. As I have said, a half Japanese half English person would look genetically look like Kirghiz and Kazakhs, but it isn't.

Yes we aren't buddies. I was just using it as a substitute of some other word which wouldn't sound nice. There is no need to further dissect your nonsensical claims. I'll summarize it this way. The reason why you deny the closeness of yourself and your people to jews and semites is because you don't want to be associated with the "brown desert people/sandnigger" category. You've made it obvious so far by saying stuff like "embracing my inner wog" or something like that. Don't quote me on this but you said something along those lines in one of your posts in G25 ancient model thread. You clearly don't feel comfortable with your own ethnicity and identity and language. Don't come up with more bullshit to argue against this. It's clear that you have problems with your OWN race. I don't care if you are christians either. So are palestinian christians, lebanese christians, coptics etc. Your autosomal DNA is almost identical to those mongrel ashkenazis and sephardics jews. Nigga, how can you deny the bronze age levantine contribution to the southern italian/maltese gene pool? If ashkenazis are mixed people then so are you. There is no other way around your similarity to western jewish auDNA. "Jews are like Gypsies". So are the maltese. As I said ashkenazi and sephardic jews aren't a combo of levantines and central italians.. this thread gives some insights into this topic.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?25013-Most-of-South-European-ancestry-in-Ashkenazi-Jews-doesn-t-seem-to-be-North-Italian

 

[Ben Dover]

Central italy during the roman times was already ashkenazi/southern italian/maltese like. What sense does it make to claim that aehkenazis are a mix of central italians from roman era and a samaritan like population. It's bs. The admixture in ashkenazis is far more complex than just 1/2 levantine 1/2 italian model.

 

[Ponto]

In Australia everyone who isn't Anglo is a wog. Wogs start east of Calais was the saying of the older people. I don't have a race, I have an ethnicity. I tell everyone my ethnicity, I have no shame or pride, it is just a fact. Roman? Who mentioned Roman? I didn't mention North Italy, just Central Italy. Ashkenazi weren't Ashkenazi when in Italy, just Jews and their genetics are simple, they just experienced a bottleneck making all Askenazi seem like 5th cousins, and when they moved from Germany to Lithuania, Poland and the Russias they got a little East Slavic ancestry. Still simple. You're not one of them, Georgian Jews, Mountain Jews, Iranian Jews, Iraqi Jews, Yemeni Jews and not mentioning those in Africa and India, are not Ashkenazi or Sephardi. You don't have a sabbath haybox in that category.
In Imperial Roman times, Rome and its immediate surrounds was Middle Eastern, full of admixed, Greek speaking people from Anatolia, the Levant and North Africa. Only a minority were actually European.