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Kurdquistador

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just take a genetic test and run eurogenes k12b

as i said if you have no gypsy ancestry you are one of the most atypical kurds i have seen in my life
 

Ben Dover

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If you took an actual DNA test that would be an irrefutable proof. It is too bad that you live in Turkey since they don't allow you to take some of the DNA tests out there. I wouldn't trust Turkish companies that do the tests
 

Ben Dover

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Gypsies living in the East often do not have identities, which I think is proof that I am not a gypsy.
As vengeance said, some gypsies are assimilated as Kurds and Turks in Turkey, therefore I wouldn't consider this genealogical record as a solid evidence. Maybe you could go for that Turkish DNA project thing and get yourself tested there, but I'd doubt the accuracy of the results.
 

Ben Dover

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No, I don't think so. It is not written in history that gypsies were assimilated in Siirt. But it says that Armenians and Assyrians became Kurdish.
Assimilation and genetic mixing is rarely ever documented in the history books..
 

Kurdquistador

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i already said to you that if you are kurdish you are kurdish . and thats totally okay to me lol

but if you are really kurdish and dont have gypsy mix then you are a very atypical kurd . nothing more nothing less
 

Ben Dover

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Why would Gypsies want to be Kurdish or Turkish? If I were a gypsy I would say that and leave this forum.
I don't see the correlation between saying that you are a gypsy and leaving the forum. It'd be illogical if the following turned into the latter
 

Kurdquistador

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ok that's true but most of them don't have id . what do you say to that?

i am not knowledged about that stuff

i only care for 3 things

how many kurdish grandparents a person has

how the "kurdish" person looks like

how he/she scores in eurogenes k12b . if he/she looks non kurdish
 

Kurdquistador

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we said that you look gypsy mixed . we said it is likely that you have gypsy ancestry but we didnt say you have to have it 100%

but you dont look pure kurdish and are very atypical
 

ImHere

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Sayyed claim is most likely fake(unless you have strong documentation on that). Many muslims makes fake sayyed claims, from south asia to north africa
 

ImHere

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There is Veysel Karani tomb in my hometown and it is not far from my village.
You possibly might have, but then its best for you to check your y-dna, if thats true.

But i looked up Veysel. He isnt related to the prophet. So you cant be a descendant of him.
He also died in battle of Siffin, so im not even sure if he had children of locals in Syria/southeast Turkey?
 

Ben Dover

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The only sensible thing that he can do considering the fact that he lives in Turkey is to somehow obtain a raw data and get G25 coordinates, convert it to qpAdm format and upload it on gedmatch. I don't think that the results he'll get from some shady Turkish DNA testing company is going to provide reliable results.
 

ImHere

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ok, that arab woman is descended from Sayyid
Who does she claim ancestry from? WHich child/relative of the prophet?

If shes a sayyed, i guess shes a sayyed. But unless she/you have strong documentation about that, i will stay skeptical. Lots of muslims claims sayyed title out of prestige
 
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