Pass/classify me

[ImHere]

Where can i pass according to you? Can i pass in Georgia?

Even i have to say, absoloutly not.

You dont pass anywhere in Europe or Georgia

 

[Nassbean]

Even i have to say, absoloutly not.

You dont pass anywhere in Europe or Georgia

Why I feel like people always think of georgia as some kind of very european country meanwhile they look no different from turks and armenians

 

[Kurdquistador]

Why I feel like people always think of georgia as some kind of very european country meanwhile they look no different from turks and armenians

whole northern west asia are the closest people to europeans outside of europe . lookwise and genetically

especially georgia . georgians have very big overlaps with balkans , greece , south italy etc

 

[ImHere]

Why I feel like people always think of georgia as some kind of very european country meanwhile they look no different from turks and armenians

Its not that they dont look quiet southern. Its just that you dont look caucasian. You dont pass in Iran or Armenia either. Maybe in Turkey?(you reminds me bit of Ozil)

 

[Ben Dover]

Where can i pass according to you? Can i pass in Georgia?

Not really to be honest

 

[Kurdquistador]

özil ? wtf

that is an insult imo

 

[Nassbean]

whole northern west asia are the closest people to europeans outside of europe . lookwise and genetically

especially georgia . georgians have very big overlaps with balkans , greece , south italy etc

no way wtf levantines overlap more with southern europeans than populations like turks, georgians or armenians and I know what I'm talking about since I grew up with turks.

As for genetics that's also wrong north-west asians barely have any european ancestry except maybe western turks. The highest euro ancestry in MENA are western turks and maghrebis, the rest have negligeable amount of it.

 

[Nassbean]

Its not that they dont look quiet southern. Its just that you dont look caucasian. You dont pass in Iran or Armenia either. Maybe in Turkey?(you reminds me bit of Ozil)

but I feel like georgians look more like their southern neighbours than other caucasian ethnicities and wait do you really think people in Iran or armenian will take me for a foreigner at first sight ? I really doubt it

 

[Kurdquistador]

no way wtf levantines overlap more with southern europeans than populations like turks, georgians or armenians and I know what I'm talking about since I grew up with turks.

As for genetics that's also wrong north-west asians barely have any european ancestry except maybe western turks. The highest euro ancestry in MENA are western turks and maghrebis, the rest have negligeable amount of it.

man just shut the fuck up ....

levantines are NOT more overlapping with muh yuropeenz than northern west asians . especially not georgians you got to be fucking kidding me

maghrebis have a big chunk of ssa and i will not even discuss this with you . either accept it or move on . and northern west asians are ANF , CHG , Iran N , EHG , and minor natufian . ANF , CHG , EHG are all in significant amounts in european populations and even some Iran N is (which is related to CHG to begin with)

and just run the oracles in ANY calc you want . we are closer to europeans than you guys are

we look closer to euros than you maghrebis sorry dude . i thought we are over this

for anybody in doubt just check the galleries of northern west asians

in germany i grew up with turks , kurds , and a lot of moroccans . a moroccan thinking his people look closer to euros than georgians is just a joke ....only on the internet ...

 

[ImHere]

özil ? wtf

that is an insult imo

Only you think thats an insult.

I said he reminds me A BIT of Ozil. Whats wrong with looking like Ozil? I get it, big goofy eyes(turks in my town joked about his eyes, and apparently people on internet too), but that wasnt what i was heading for

 

[Kurdquistador]

Only you think thats an insult.

I said he reminds me A BIT of Ozil. Whats wrong with looking like Ozil? I get it, big goofy eyes(turks in my town joked about his eyes, and apparently people on internet too), but that wasnt what i was heading for

it was wrong of me saying it

 

[Kurdquistador]

i took out every ethnicity except those who lie withing the boundaries of "europe"

150 populations kurdish list and moroccan NORTH list :

Kurdish :

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Distance to: Kurdish

0.06441403 Kumyk
0.07037778 Ingushian
0.07184617 Adygei
0.07315666 Chechen
0.07394896 Ossetian
0.07441554 Karachay
0.07490000 Kabardin
0.07513870 Circassian
0.07665704 North_Ossetian
0.07707138 Cherkes
0.07796218 Balkar
0.07833074 Tabasaran
0.08131082 Cypriot
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0.08559416 Avar
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0.08632584 Lak
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0.09575390 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.09589703 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.09605429 Darginian
0.09914811 Italian_Jew
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0.11816177 Greek_Macedonia
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0.12014292 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.12120018 Gagauz
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0.12579632 Italian_Tuscany
0.13136905 Swiss_Italian
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0.13288911 Italian_Piedmont
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0.13934186 Italian_Liguria
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0.16555152 Croatian
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0.16779395 French_Nord
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0.16839870 Belgian
0.16853229 Spanish_Aragon
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0.16994912 French_Occitanie
0.17007907 Afrikaner
0.17015229 Slovenian
0.17028863 French_Paris
0.17053893 Spanish_Cantabria
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0.17345918 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.17390218 Spanish_Asturias
0.17463487 Moldovan_o
0.17540204 Spanish_Soria
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0.17651727 Spanish_La_Rioja
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0.18264937 German_East
0.18314989 Ukrainian_Lviv
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0.18603444 Irish
0.18775163 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.18976567 Danish
0.18985567 Tatar_Kazan
0.19193062 Norwegian
0.19196336 Moksha
0.19215272 Basque_French
0.19280146 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.19334973 Russian_Ryazan
0.19345808 Russian_Belgorod
0.19399778 Icelandic
0.19416205 Polish
0.19443528 Russian_Orel
0.19443604 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.19505216 Tatar_Lipka
0.19559036 Basque_Spanish
0.19576516 Swedish
0.19584125 Cossack_Ukrainian

 

[Nassbean]

man just shut the fuck up ....

levantines are NOT more overlapping with muh yuropeenz than northern west asians . especially not georgians you got to be fucking kidding me

maghrebis have a big chunk of ssa and i will not even discuss this with you . either accept it or move on . and northern west asians are ANF , CHG , Iran N , EHG , and minor natufian . ANF , CHG , EHG are all in significant amounts in european populations and even some Iran N is (which is related to CHG to begin with)

and just run the oracles in ANY calc you want . we are closer to europeans than you guys are

we look closer to euros than you maghrebis sorry dude . i thought we are over this

for anybody in doubt just check the galleries of northern west asians

in germany i grew up with turks , kurds , and a lot of moroccans . a moroccan thinking his people look closer to euros than georgians is just a joke ....only on the internet ...

???
Levantines have more types who overlap with people like southern italians and greeks than north-west asians even though overall yes they look distinct obviously.

I know you like obsessing over our SSA but even if we were 50% ssa we would still have objectively more euro ancestry : our anatolian ancestry is EEF unlike yours for example which is ANF, Our yamnaya is related to iberian bell beakers meanwhile yours didn't came that recently and from indirect middle eastern sources, we have WHG ancestry which you lack, etc (+ iberians also have a good chunk of north african ancestry but that's another topic) and that's without even counting people who have morisco ancestry.

Distances are meaningless since non-eurasian ancestry will always inflate them, they are good for homogeneous populations certainly not for people like latinos or north africans for instance. Without this "artificial" inflation I'd plot next to sicilians but in a more west med direction.

I never said my people look closer to euros wtf are you talking about ? We look very different from europeans actually but I simply said that objectively we have proper european ancestry while you don't but I don't like talking about that it feels like we're cocksuckers.

Anyway from my experience I've seen more lebanese or syrians who look european than turks.

 

[Kurdquistador]

moroccan North ...lel

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Distance to: Moroccan_North

0.14828204 Spanish_Canarias
0.15378379 Maltese
0.15519954 Italian_Jew
0.15584295 Romaniote_Jew
0.15834390 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.16296573 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.16353885 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.16411281 Sicilian_West
0.16457054 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.16506031 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.16616648 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.16913027 Sicilian_East
0.16918883 Italian_Calabria
0.16963520 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
0.17194152 Cypriot
0.17255764 Italian_Campania
0.17559467 Italian_Basilicata
0.17647550 Italian_Apulia
0.17687134 Spanish_Extremadura
0.17707502 Portuguese
0.17740139 Greek_Dodecanese
0.17798254 Greek_Crete
0.17850381 Italian_Abruzzo
0.17882281 Greek_Kos
0.18017012 Italian_Lazio
0.18058658 Spanish_Andalucia
0.18137126 Greek_Laconia
0.18144172 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.18156407 Italian_Molise
0.18177243 Spanish_Murcia
0.18209626 Spanish_Galicia
0.18283444 Italian_Umbria
0.18389775 Italian_Marche
0.18592534 French_Corsica
0.18703028 Spanish_Asturias
0.18705261 Italian_Tuscany
0.18715830 Greek_Peloponnese
0.18736330 Italian_Liguria
0.18817996 Spanish_Alacant
0.18924944 Spanish_Eivissa
0.18948555 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.18956536 Spanish_Menorca
0.19051591 Greek_Thessaly
0.19154248 Italian_Piedmont
0.19196153 Spanish_Baleares
0.19200992 Swiss_Italian
0.19203693 Spanish_Valencia
0.19262475 Spanish_Cataluna
0.19337772 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.19374119 Albanian
0.19428557 Spanish_Mallorca
0.19437938 Spanish_Aragon
0.19480002 Sardinian
0.19489743 Italian_Lombardy
0.19526794 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.19536671 Greek_Macedonia
0.19584022 Rumelia_East
0.19656595 Italian_Bergamo
0.19659481 Spanish_Navarra
0.19663214 Spanish_Pirineu
0.19673530 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.19698995 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.19700095 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.19718720 Spanish_Castello
0.19778604 Spanish_Cantabria
0.19815250 Spanish_Girona
0.19892973 Spanish_Lleida
0.19904283 Spanish_Penedes
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0.20128990 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.20148756 Gagauz
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0.20611969 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.20747722 French_South
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0.20917583 French_Auvergne
0.20952960 Swiss_French
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0.22561207 Karachay
0.22565882 Croatian
0.22628754 Austrian
0.22661848 Circassian
0.22741670 Cherkes
0.22786712 Adygei
0.22825199 Hungarian
0.22951572 North_Ossetian
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0.23222218 German
0.23279404 Ossetian
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0.24193024 Irish
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0.24357429 Danish
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0.24484800 Slovakian
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0.24619539 Lak
0.24629883 Avar
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0.25008268 Swedish
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0.25153358 Sorb_Niederlausitz
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0.25448485 Ukrainian_Dnipro
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0.25468350 Darginian
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0.25546223 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.25584238 Russian_Belgorod
0.25587497 Russian_Ryazan
0.25639339 Ukrainian_Chernihiv

 

[Kurdquistador]

???
Levantines have more types who overlap with people like southern italians and greeks than north-west asians even though overall yes they look distinct obviously.

I know you like obsessing over our SSA but even if we were 50% ssa we would still have objectively more euro ancestry : our anatolian ancestry is EEF unlike yours for example which is ANF, Our yamnaya is related to iberian bell beakers meanwhile yours didn't came that recently, we have WHG ancestry which you lack, etc (+ iberians also have a good chunk of north african ancestry but that's another topic) and that's without even counting people who have morisco ancestry.

Distances are meaningless since non-eurasian ancestry will always inflate them, they are good for homogeneous populations certainly not for people like latinos or north africans for instance. Without this "artificial" inflation I'd plot next to sicilians but in a more west med direction.

I never said my people look closer to euros wtf are you talking about ? We look very different from europeans actually but I simply said that objectively we have proper european ancestry while you don't but I don't like talking about that it feels like we're cocksuckers.

Anyway from my experience I've seen more lebanese or syrians who look european than turks.

first of all sorry that i told you to shut up . but you are annoying sometimes lol

there is NO way that levantines are "more european" looking than turks trust me on that . here in germany we have sooo many turks and kurds and i AM from turkey so i know how turks look better lol

and i can only repeat myself with the genetic thing ....you will not agree anyway

according to you a half english half ugandan is more european than a georgian . which is absolutely ridiculous

 

[Nassbean]

first of all sorry that i told you to shut up . but you are annoying sometimes lol

there is NO way that levantines are "more european" looking than turks trust me on that . here in germany we have sooo many turks and kurds and i AM from turkey so i know how turks look better lol

and i can only repeat myself with the genetic thing ....you will not agree anyway

according to you a half english half ugandan is more european than a georgian . which is absolutely ridiculous

A mexican harnizo 70% spanish 30% amerindian would plot far from spaniards despite being predominantely spanish and having proper spanish ancestors meanwhile georgians would plot closer to spaniards but still have nothing to do with them that's my point.


btw georgians are not part of the european cluster nor plot close to it, they are well inside the west asian one.

 

[Kurdquistador]

A mexican harnizo 70% spanish 30% amerindian would plot far from spaniards despite being predominantely spanish and having proper spanish ancestors meanwhile georgians would plot closer to spaniards but still have nothing to do with them that's my point.

but it doesnt work that way .....

one of the big problems to begin with is that "europe" is man made . sometimes georgia is even considered within europe . and often a part of it in the north is . cyprus is often considered within europe . an icelandic is different from a cretan yet both are european etc.

but to stay on your example

the harnizo would have significant non caucasian admix while the georgian is fully caucasian racially . thats also why he would plot closer to spaniards . but the example with harnizos is a bit difficult because they are predominantly european and many of them will probably also look that way etc

and georgians are mostly CHG + Anatolian Farmer . both components are important for europeans . it is just that georgians are rather unique and isolated . just like sardinians . people who argue with "muh georgians dont plotz in yurope" forget that sardinians plot uniquely and not firmly within the european cluster for example

AND georgians look similar to europeans and many can pass as "european" etc.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Agreed! I will give you another example. I am a Northern Kurmanji Kurd, but I do plot closer to the (Eastern) Sorani Kurds. Nevertheless I feel by far more related to the Kurmanji Kurds from Northern Kurdistan.

The reason why I do plot closer to the Eastern (Sorani) Kurds is because Northern Kurmanji Kurds from Northern Kurdistan are a little bit more mixed with other ethnicity (mostly Armenians) than I am, while Sorani Kurds don't have Armenian ancestry and therefore plot closer to me. But I am a Kurmanji Kurd and not a Sorani Kurd.


Btw, you can see Europeans just as a subgrace of Northern West Asians, because most of their ancestry (EEF/ANF, CHG/Iran_ChL) is from Northern West Asia anyway. Plus Northern West Asians and mostly Northern Europeans share also ANE auDNA with each other.

The only difference between Northern Europeans and Northern West Asians is that Northern Europeans have more WHG.

In general I am sure that Scandinavians are closer to people from Caucasus than to Northern Africans.


With other words, Northern West Asians don’t have much Euro ancestry, but Europeans have a lot Northern West Asian ancestry.

we are not mixed with armenians . those who have armenian admix most of the time are aware of it

stop spreading nonsense

 

[Nassbean]

but it doesnt work that way .....

one of the big problems to begin with is that "europe" is man made . sometimes georgia is even considered within europe . and often a part of it in the north is . cyprus is often considered within europe . an icelandic is different from a cretan yet both are european etc.

but to stay on your example

the harnizo would have significant non caucasian admix while the georgian is fully caucasian racially . thats also why he would plot closer to spaniards . but the example with harnizos is a bit difficult because they are predominantly european and many of them will probably also look that way etc

and georgians are mostly CHG + Anatolian Farmer . both components are important for europeans . it is just that georgians are rather unique and isolated . just like sardinians . people who argue with "muh georgians dont plotz in yurope" forget that sardinians plot uniquely and not firmly within the european cluster for example

AND georgians look similar to europeans and many can pass as "european" etc.

Of course it does, did his spanish ancestors all suddenly disappear ? European borders can be changing over time doesn't mean much most of its population plot next to each other and form a well defined cluster.

There is no "caucasian" racially what does that mean ? In forensic anthropology, north africans are perfectly "caucasian" we can discuss this for north africans who show obvious ssa traits but certainly not for NAs like me. Georgians have no spanish ancestors unlike this harnizo ...CHG isn't that much present in Europe and "anatolian farmer" in MENA peaks in anatolia, levant and maghreb lol but ours is EEF (which include a WHG element which other mena populations lack).

Georgians don't really look similar to europeans, they look like their west asian neighbours and are genetically very far from the european cluster (sardinians despite their uniqueness are still well inside it).


Who is more similar to the portuguese here ? :

that's even worse if you want to take canary islanders into account since they score around 20-30% NA ancestry.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Of course it does, did his spanish ancestors all suddenly disappear ? European borders can be changing over time doesn't mean much most of its population plot next to each other and form a well defined cluster.

There is no "caucasian" racially what does that mean ? In forensic anthropology, north africans are perfectly "caucasian" we can discuss this for north africans who show obvious ssa traits but certainly not for NAs like me. Georgians have no spanish ancestors unlike this harnizo ...CHG isn't that much present in Europe and "anatolian farmer" in MENA peaks in anatolia, levant and maghreb lol but ours is EEF (which include a WHG element which other mena populations lack).

Georgians don't really look similar to europeans, they look like their west asian neighbours and are genetically very far from the european cluster (sardinians despite their uniqueness are still well inside it).


Who is more similar to the portuguese here ? :

that's even worse if you want to take canary islanders into account since they score around 20-30% NA ancestry.

check the distances portuguese while being geographically next door to you are closer to us in the list than to north moroccans

a portuguese member on TA also told you that even iranians are closer to him than you guys ....lol


of course there is the caucasian race . many maghrebis especially berbers from the north look caucasian and ARE predominantly caucasian

european cluster ...... in a bigger scope northern west asians plot close / closest to europeans . why stop at europe ? and what about the fact that sardinians are not firmly within the "european cluster" ....dont listen to the TA guys who are like "muh yurop" and will try their best to explain their "cluster" with the aim to exclude "MENAS" from closeness to their holy yurop etc

you always say "georgians look like their neighbors" ....well those ethnicites ....turks , kurds , armenians , etc. are also similar looking to europeans . we are the CLOSEST people to europeans OUTSIDE of europe . and i dont give a fuck if anybody will give me shit for this . it is the truth . genetically AND lookwise . just check out the kurdish thread . many europeans themselves either guessed many of the people in the gallery as european or said that they pass as european easily . of course individually that is . all in all especially as groups it is obvious that we look different but it doesnt change the face that northern west asia are the closest people to europeans outside of europe

and georgians are "even more" european looking than kurds etc

but maybe we should stop with this because certain euro incels from a certain forum will think we worship them or some shit